Obama's Achilles heel - Natural Born Citizenship

Examiner.com ^ | 10-15-2009 | Dianna Cotter

[Danae]

This is my own work, I own any associated copyrights to it.

... What is a Natural Born Citizen? ...

“§ 212. Citizens and natives. The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country. -Emer Vattel (English language version, “Law of Nations” (1797) Book I, c.19, § 212 http://www.constitution.org/vattel/vattel.htm http://home.earthlink.net/~dybel/Documents/LawOfNations,Vattel.htm#I-%C2%A7212

Who is Emer Vattel? He wrote the book "Law of Nations" which was originally published in France in 1758. ...
************** There is a great deal more in the article at the link.

[houeto]

D, you waste your time with steve, he is an AFTER-birther.

ROFLMAO!!! You were SERIES! This is HUGH!

[john mirse]

There’s two choices here. Either he settles it by disclosing all documents, including education records or the people will settle it for him.

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At the very least, I wish that the cowardly officials at Occidental College in California, Obama's first college, would show some courage and tell us officially if Obama was or was not enrolled as a freshman foreign student.

[Danae]

It’s a smoke-screen.

One that has been gently encouraged by the Obama faction. Certainly it has not been quieted by just releasing the Long form, wiich will actually say that he was born in Hawaii. That would have actually quieted the whole thing down and no one would have been able to get traction on the Natural Born Status issue to begin with, because no one would have been listening to it anymore. If Obama had released his long form in 08, the issue would not have gotten this big. A few people would have been yelling about a British father but on one would have been around to listen. That doesn’t make it any less true however.

Instead Obama has covered it up, and made it a bigger issue in the process. The only problem with that is its a strategy that can easily backfire. And it has. Now people who were paying attention to the COLB issue are going to hear what he is really trying to avoid talking about. His British Father.

There is traction with the Birther movement because people smell a dead rat. That rat really is dead and rotting, its just under their noses, buried in history that is no longer taught in schools.

[Las Vegas Ron]

Dude, second post.

You really out did yourself

[r9etb]

Well then Zippy, why do we follow the Constitution which was written and signed in 1787? Hum? Or is that irrelevant too?

Well, then, zipless... if you don't know the legal difference between the Constitution and some book written by a Frenchman in 1758, you shouldn't be attempting to instruct the rest of us in logic.

[Las Vegas Ron]

Nice comic, looks like it was astro-turfed.

LMAO!

[SaraJohnson]

That he did not follow “Judge” Land-fascist’s example is a good sign.

[stockpirate]

It is very SERIES and HUGH! There is a large group of leftist AFTER-birthers on FR attacking daily, pretending to be conservatives, but are really leftist AFTER-birthers

[Las Vegas Ron]

Calling your worshippers for support, eh?

[pissant]

If it is found in discovery that Obama, as expected, is not an NBC, then no other actions will be necessary. If he doesn’t resign, we’ll drag him out by his marxist ears.

[Diogenesis]

Obama is apparently NOT a natural born US citizen.

So what is your point?

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

I think discovery is the key issue....

[Shermy]

I’m with you that I want to see the long form,

but I have spoken to some “birthers” who believe the long form is essential to the “foreign father” argument. I told them Obama wrote a book about his father being foreign, it is not in question. Had no effect.

[SaraJohnson]

“...or the people will settle it for him.”

I want to think the people have some kind of legal power in this country under the old fashioned ideal of equality before the law. Alas, I now have to see it to believe it right in my own country. We are back to the 1950’s where some people have greater rights than do other people.

[GBA]

Good post! Thanks for posting your research and getting the info out in the column and on the radio.

I hope you start some small fires of doubt with whomever reads or hears you. This issue could not be more important.

My hope is that the more of us will, via work like you and others are doing, return to the philosophical source of our Republic...and then be outraged enough to halt this latest assault.

[Diogenesis]

Clearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility: An Intelligence Investigator’s June 10 Report
"The Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii
In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an “original birth certificate” on record.
BC1. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the attending medical professional was required to certify to the Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents’ identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).

BC2. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail. There appears to have been no requirement for the parent to actually physically appear before “the local registrar of the district.”
It would have been very easy for a relative to forge an absent parent’s signature to a form and mail it in.
In addition, if a claim was made that “neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate.” (Section 57-8&9)
.... there is and was no requirement for a physician or midwife to witness, state or report that the baby was born in Hawaii.

BC3. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, a “Delayed Certificate” could be filed, which required that “a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing or the alteration [of a file] shall be endorsed on the certificates”, which “evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file.”
The statute provided that “the probative value of a ‘delayed’ or ‘altered’ certificate shall be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence.” (See Section 57- 9, 18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).”

BC4. If a child is born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult (including the subject person [i.e. the birth child as an adult]) if the Office of the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year.
(See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961.)
In 1955 the “secretary of the Territory” was in charge of this procedure. In 1960 it was transferred to the Office of the Lieutenant Governor (“the lieutenant governor, or his secretary, or such other person as he may designate or appoint from his office” §338-41 [in 1961]).

In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fifth kind of “original birth certificate”. Under Act 182 H.B. NO. 3016-82, “Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that the proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.”
In this way “state policies and procedures” accommodate even “children born out of State” (this is the actual language of Act 182) with an “original birth certificate on record.”

[Drew68]

Why do the faction of birthers who challenge Obama on being a natural born citizen care about the birth certificate when no one denies Obama’s father was not an American citizen?

Because the "two citizen parent" requirement of NBC is a load of bunk that is found nowhere in the U.S. Constitution or established law. It is a fictional device created by birthers to be an eligibility standard that Obama couldn't possibly meet and enjoys support nowhere outside of birther circles.

On January 20th, 2009, a man whose foreign father is a matter of public record was sworn into the office of the presidency by the chief justice of the highest court in the land after a campaign where no one, not his opponents, not the previous administration, not the courts questioned his eligibility.

That's how much of a loser this "two parent citizen" definition of NBC is.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

And why we care....related article:

Long-lost article by Obama's dad surfaces

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Parts of the article, titled “Problems Facing Our Socialism,” have been making the rounds on several small blogs over the past week, but Politico.com is now, for the first time, reproducing the entire piece in its original form.

[BuckeyeTexan]

You know it! /s

How pathetic. It’s OK for LucyT to ping you, but somehow it’s treasonous for me to ping people who will probably disagree with you.

[Danae]

That is the only place quo warrento can be brought, it is the only remedy for removal of an usurper.