Posted on 09/24/2009 7:06:36 AM PDT by Danae
INTRODUCTION
The entire Presidential eligibility movement has been ridiculed as a fringe “conspiracy theory” by main stream media, members of Congress and even Judges speaking directly from the bench. This ridicule is largely due to public statements made by Hawaii Department of Health Director, Dr. Chiyome Fukino (see below) which testify that she has seen vital records maintained by her office which prove President Obama was born in Hawaii and that he has an original birth certificate on file there.
The ridicule has been broad, extending even to public investigators like myself who believe that President Obama was actually born in Hawaii. But reliance on Director Fukino and her Communications Director Janice Akubo are sadly misplaced. They are guilty of misdirecting the public away from vital records information made expressly available by statute where no privacy exceptions apply.
These accusations are not a matter of conjecture. They are a matter of fact and shall be proved. This, Part 1 of the full report, will illustrate multiple instances of misdirection.
Following reports in the days ahead will detail various information requests made by TerriK and their eventual resolution. The resolution involves official responses which – according to statutory application – admit the existence of amendments and/or corrections to President Obama’s vital records despite the continuing pattern of misdirection.
BACKGROUND
The state of Hawaii enacted the Uniform Information Practices Act (UIPA) as a means by which the public may have free and open access to all information maintained by the Government. While some information is obviously restricted to protect the privacy of individuals, the intent of the statute is clear; to help the public access government held information.
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NVM, not possible to change it.
This might help: From the tool bar, click Edit, then “select all”
Tuff it out Nancy!!! I like the way he does it. He’s not here to accommodate you.
You would think a story of this magnitude would make it to the nightly news.
OK...thx for the reply...
BTW, I asked Miss Tickly about setting up a donation site for Leo and she said she will look into that in the future.
Leo is a genius and TerriK is no slouch !
We are lucky to have them on our side...both are pursuing this with relentless tenacity ! YES ! ! !
re: white type set on black backdrop -— Not trying to be controversial, just that other friends have said the same thing. During the daylight hours in a sun filled room or well-lit office setting, Leo’s site is very tough to read.
I’m not COM-plaining, I’m EX-plaining !
We are ALL indebted to him for his willingness to tackle the ‘monster’ of corruption, know as the Hawaiian Health Dept. These State workers are guilty of aiding and abetting in one of the biggest political crimes and cover-ups in the history of our once great nation !
I hope they all get the book thrown at them ! Since Leo’s opponents are the ‘powers that be’ (Gov. Lingle, the Attorney General, Fukino and Okubo) I am hoping he will somehow get his message to the Senator. He seems to be the ONLY one with any authority that has any ethical backbone in the WHOLE State !
Don’t lose sight of the very real possibility that the state workers are also covering HI butts over so many non-HI born people becoming stats on HI demographic rolls due to lax/illicit registries of non-residents as HI born. The Fukino and Okubo maneuvers may be coming to them as dictates from higher powers in HI, even Gov. Lingle possibly. The illicit registry of tens of thousands of ineligible people in order to up HI demographic numbers is a very real criminal ball of worms!
Excellent point !
Adoption by a foreign national (if, in fact, he was adopted) would have no affect on the U.S. citizenship of a minor.
Is it possible that upon his return to the US, that his status as a British citizen, would have interfered with regaining his US Citizenship status?
He never lost his U.S. Citizenship.
I never said he lost his US citizenship. Even if he did, he could have gotten it back. The point is, he lost his Natural Born Status, if he ever had that. His Dad is British, and by definition, he isn’t a Natural Born Citizen because that REQUIRES both parents be US Citizens.
The poster is purposely misleading the focus. If Barry Soetoro (that was his leagl name in 1980 when his mother applied for divorce from Barry’s Indonesian adoptive father) used his Indonesian citizenship to enter college (he entered Occidental college in summer of 1979), apply for foreign student aid, and or acquire a passport using his Indonesian citizenship (he traveled to Pakistan in 1981 using some sort of passport), HE FORFEITED any claim to natural born citizen of the US status. Yes, he may have changed his name back to or into Barack Hussein Obama later than his Occidental college days, but to again become an American citizen he would have to do so by statute. The poster knows it and is pruposely misdirecting and deceiving readers.
That may be so, but you can’t change who Bambi’s dad is. Obama Sr. Was a British Citizen. That right there makes Obama ineligible. He was never an NBC to begin with.
The strange thing is, we actually don’t know whm was Barry’s actual father. The documents he’s exhibited are not genuine and the state of Hawaii has not released to the public what they have in their vital records. Consider for a moment what it might mean if Barack senior was not Barry’s biologicaql father ... just speculating, but what if his biological father was a black teen living in the Mercer Island area and on his Hawaiian registry the name of the actual father is not listed, or is listed but the guy never knew he fathered a child. Fukino used soemthing from vital records to come to her weird conclusion ... she didn’t hedge, she stated flatly that Barry was a natural born citizen. She may have ignored legal vagaries like his using Indonesian citizenship after reaching adulthood, but she used soemthing to come to her conclusion and it wasn’t likely to be Barack Senior as a British subject.
You didn't?
Here's what you said:
Is it possible that upon his return to the US, that his status as a British citizen, would have interfered with regaining his US Citizenship status?
How can you regain something you haven't lost? Just curious.
The point is, he lost his Natural Born Status, if he ever had that. His Dad is British, and by definition, he isn’t a Natural Born Citizen because that REQUIRES both parents be US Citizens.
Here too, how can lose "Natural Born Status" if you never had it (according to your theory) to begin with?
If true, this is big news because it opens up the right of the public to a confirmation by HI that they have a marriage vital record “index” (listing of retention of the record) for Dunham-Obama Sr’s marriage, although the record itself if protected.
In the past Leo has snipped any comments I make seeking to discover that marriage as a predicate for establishing whether or not the 1948 BNA passed dual citizenship to Obama II, has he has claimed.
I don't accept the argument that merely having a non-citizen biological father in or out of marriage is sufficient to establish constitutional ineligibility.
I see the language that the founders used on this issue as tending to require the baby at birth to be subject to actual legal dual sovereignty as in “claimed as a citizen” by more than one sovereign by soil and/or blood as discussed in Vattel’s Law of Nations. Arguments that any country could make all US citizens ineligible for POTUS by declaring them to be their own citizens at birth fail the test of soil and/or blood that is internationally recognized.
Here is my post to Leo this AM (he considers questioning Obama’s legitimacy as defamation, so I have danced around that, just as Leo is pretending that he “believes” Obama was born in HI):
Leo:
You answered what I think is a very important question regarding the vital record of the Dunham-Obama Sr. marriage that is crucial to laying the documented foundation for establishing Obama II’s dual citizen status, once the HI vital records are examined (I am assuming the marriage took place in HI, just as you are assuming HI birth for Obama):
[ed. all I want to point out as to “verification” is how it is defined by the Haw. Rev. Statutes in that it does NOT refer to the issue of whether the state maintains a certain record... whether a record exists is NOT protected and nobody has a privacy interest as to whether they were born...whether they are married, etc. Those events are public events recorded by the state and the existence of such records is not private.]
While agents acting for Obama have published statements against interest that Obama was a dual citizen at birth, don’t you agree that a legal challenge to Obama’s dual citizen eligibility status at birth will eventually require discovery of this marriage record, given that the BNA of 1948 does not appear to pass citizenship to children of a British citizen father unless the parents were legally married in the country where the marriage occurred?
This would seem to require verification of both the marriage and the country in which the marriage occurred and removing any possible complications posed by tribal polygamy in order to fully lay the predicate for a dual citizen constitutional challenge.
Ping.
I saw that post Seize. I have been hitting refresh for a few hours now... Even though I have a good idea of what is coming.... To see it come from Leo is going to give weight and strength to the argument.
Obama is NOT Constitutionally qualified for the office he occupies.
How do we force him out, is it possible that with the public release of this damning information the trappings of Government powerwill just organically leave Obama, sluff off like a diseased skin?
I don’t know, there is no American Precedent to give any structure to it. Only the resignation of Nixon give us any form. That being said, this is FAR bigger than Watergate. Much. The entire DNC leadership is an active participant in it. There should be massive resignations.
... My kingdom for a glimpse as to what is going to happen now.
No Hawaiian marriage and Obama laid the groundwork in his book..if ever revealed...he will claim he didn’t know because he was too scared to look for it.
I want to see proof of Lolo’s marriage. I don’t think it lists time and place in the divorce papers but I can’t remember for sure.
If she lied about Sr ..she could have lied about Lolo.
To me, there is an even bigger hole in the Lolo story given what was taking place in Indonesia during the time.
Where was the child support for Maya?
Was it common back then not to list the name of the child in divorce papers if they were eligible for child support no matter their age?
Many people who voted for BO weren't old enough to remember Watergate. Those who were old enough have no excuse.
Nixon was flawed. However, I don't believe for a minute that he hated America and wanted to destroy it. He had the GRACE to actually resign his office peacefully.
Can we picture BO waving from the steps of a helicopter about to depart the South Lawn?
There is something I can’t remember and maybe you know it.
Assume Sr and Ann had a legal Hawaiian marriage (they did not).
If true and born on US soil..would Obama automatically be a British citizen - no election or registration required?
The reason that this is important is because I seem to remember that Obama said he lost his British citizenship because he didn’t do something at a certain age.
If he did make that statement..it might be a clue into figuring out some details.
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