New case to demand evidence of Hawaiian birth

WorldNetDaily ^ | SEPTEMBER 22, 2009 | Bob Unruh

[RobinMasters]

The chief of Hawaii's Department of Health twice has issued statements trying to convince doubters that President Barack Obama was born in the state, and now those words may backfire if a new legal challenge that is being developed comes to fruition.

Leo Donofrio, who brought one of the first legal challenges to Obama's eligibility to be president and unsuccessfully tried to get the U.S. Supreme Court to get involved at the time of the election, is reporting on his website that Hawaiian state law requires "information collected and maintained for the purpose of making information available to the general public" be released.

It was in July that Chiyome Fukino issued a statement on the subject of Obama's birth:

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago."

It was in 2008 at the time of the election she stated:

"There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawaii Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

[pissant]

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[Beckwith]

I heard the audio when the Gov made the statement. IIRC. I could be wrong....played it 3 times, she never said Zero had an original Hawaiian BC....just she had seen the BC.

That is not accurate, although your interpretation was clearly Fukino's intent.

What Fukino said, was:

"I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

She does not say she has seen the document.

She says she has seen that the document is "on record" according to the state's policies and procedures.

Whenever dealing with pols, you must parse the language carefully. Remember, "depends on what the meaning of 'is' is."

[RSmithOpt]

I stand corrected...I just remember she never said it was a Hawaiian BC she/they saw.

True, according to Slick, a BJ is not sex with a woman. LOL!!

Anyway...I did parse what I heard a while back but was not accurate w/ regards to my earlier post.

[Beckwith]

I had no intention of having my post interpreted as a criticism.

Fukino has fooled a lot of people with her carefully structured remarks.

[RSmithOpt]

No problem whatsoever....cause, as a matter of fact....so much diatribe comes from so many goobermint ‘officials’, it’s almost impossible for me to remember all the exact words they spew....just the gist of it.

[BP2]

Leo & MissTickly,

Thank you for challenging Obama's eligibility in the state of Hawaii, using their own UIPA statutes and policies to fight HRS §338-18 and HRS §338-19. The state of Hawaii is the best place to get access to birth records to put this portion of the eligibility questions to rest — not through the federal court system that has repeatedly dismissed cases due to lack of standing.

Two important points:

First, if Obama's birth records have been AMENDED, yet no notation is on his online Certification of Live Birth, it will independently CONFIRM that the Obama's FightTheSmears, as well as the FactCheck birth certificates are frauds. This will open the floodgate of old and new eligibility lawsuits, as the DNC, Congress and the American people were duped by fraudulent documents.

Obama's online Certification of Live Birth was also used as the primary prima facie by his lawyers in legal responses to ongoing and dismissed cases against Obama/Soetoro (PACER as of Feb 09). Obama will likely try to point blame at campaign workers or other proxies, but will be unable to deny complicity in this — because he NEVER denied his infamous birth certificates were frauds, despite having more than a year to do so.

Second, if we soon discover that Obama's birth records were AMENDED, yet his Certification of Live Birth legally is permitted to NOT reflect any "AMENDMENT" notation, it very, VERY likely means he was ADOPTED and those records are SEALED, as Hawaii state law and Health Dept policy permits.

This would beg OTHER questions, such as:

- Did Obama lose his US citizenship after being in Indonesia, after five years or immediately, when accepting his step-father Soetoro's name from an Indonesian marriage in (circa) 1966 (Indonesian law did not permit dual citizenship until 2006)?
- Did Obama go through the proper naturalization steps as a child upon re-entry to the US as a child in 1972?
- Did Obama use an Indonesian passport as an adult, also having implications on his US citizenship (US State Dept Policy)?
- Did Obama legally change his name back to Barack Hussein Obama II from Barry Soetoro, and IF so, WHEN? [if he did, it was likely on one of his trips to Hawaii last year, when his attorneys alerted him to the problem]

[LucyT]

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Ping.

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[MHGinTN]

No, Fukino made the statement that she had seen the vital records which confirmed her assertions. It is doubtful she is smart enough to have worded the two statements she read, so it is also in doubt that she ever saw the vital records which supposedly support her assertions, but that is a different kettle of smelly Fukino fish. The woman was used like a rag doll to amke false statements to the public and now it will snap shut the jaws of justice on her stupid sycophantic prank. She also made it obvious to anyone paying close attention that Barry’s displayed CoLBs are as fake as her spittling his eligibility. She rambled into affirming that his vital records have been amended so his fake CoLBs cannot be genuine without the ‘Amended’ stamped on them.

[Dustbunny]

Praying, praying, praying.

[MHGinTN]

It is interesting to note from the 1980 divorce pleadings that Stanley asserts Maya is an American Citizen, yet we know Maya was born in Indonesia and her mother was at that time an Indonesian via marriage to Lolo Soetoro. LOL No wonder Phil Berg dug up Maya’s HI CoLB and entered it into the records of one of his suits!

[BP2]

No wonder Phil Berg dug up Maya’s HI CoLB and entered it into the records of one of his suits!

Did he ever put that online? I heard about it, but don't remember seeing it.

[MHGinTN]

It was part of what was sealed in the Brg suit which Obammy’s lawyers pleaqded would be embarrassing if unsealed. I don’t think the actual document has ever been shown on the Internet. Maya’s records have been sealed, also, not just unavailable to non-family, sealed.

[curiosity]

She rambled into affirming that his vital records have been amended so his fake CoLBs cannot be genuine without the ‘Amended’ stamped on them.

Where did she do that?

[BP2]

Hmmm. Do you know if Berg indicated it was an Indonesian birth certificate, or a Hawaiian Certification?

[BP2]

From Leo's blog (presumably via emails and/or letter between Fukino and MissTickly):

Pending Litigation: Hawaii Confirms That Obama’s Vital Records Have Been Amended

Correspondence sent to TerriK by Hawaii officials indicates that President Obama’s vital records have been amended and official records pertaining thereto are maintained by the state of Hawaii.

I will issue a full statement and press release on behalf of TerriK via this blog in the days ahead. This statement will include a complete history of correspondence between TerriK and Hawaii state officials in the Office of Information Practices (OIP) and the Department of Health (DoH).

... While correspondence sent to TerriK confirms that President Obama’s vital records have been amended, the DoH has refused to make the documents requested available.

[curiosity]

LOL. This is exactly how birther urban legends get started.

Some kook like TerriK claims to have documentation that "proves" something, but doesn't disclose it, promising to disclose it "in the coming days."

Suckers like you believe her. The proof doesn't come.

But that doesn't discourage other blogger kooks from picking up on the claim and repeating it over and over again. Pretty soon everyone forgets that the proof was never disclosed and it gets accepted as gospel.

Think about it. If TerriK really had a "smoking gun," why would she disclose it only in the "coming days?"

Why is she sitting on this supposed correspondence that supposedly proves her point?

[MHGinTN]

An Hawaiian CoLB.

[BP2]

why would she disclose it only in the "coming days?"

It's called getting your .
If I know Leo right, he's likely consulting with other attorneys on whether to pro hac vice this properly in the state of Hawaii or farm it out, as well as generate some buzz among people who follow the eligibility suits. That's an important aspect of this, since those interested in getting to the truth are the ones who will assist. We certainly cannot trust that Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and the MSM to have properly vetted Obama's eligibility last year — can we?

I'm not going to even entertain the rest of your blatherings, as you seemingly have not the ability to understand the conflict (loophole) between Hawaii's UIPA and HRS §338, MissTickly's correspondence, and the legal paradox that Fukino has placed herself in - as a state official - by declaring that Obama is a natural-born Citizen.

Because Fukino has apparently stated that Obama's birth records have been AMENDED — now she'll get to prove it once the correspondence is made public.

[Faith]

Thanks for the ping. Hope springs eternal . . .

[curiosity]

Because Fukino has apparently stated that Obama's birth records have been AMENDED

The only trouble with that is, she never stated such a thing.

We'll see where this goes. I predict confidently that Leo won't release anything that even comes close to proving Bambi's records were ever amended. This won't be the first, nor the last time a birther cried wolf.