Posted on 09/01/2009 9:48:09 PM PDT by Copernicus
When people who should know better adopt the language ( and underlying premise) of their mortal enemies they have lost the battle even as they win the debate.
When George Sullivan created the original prototype AR-10 which later became the M-16 he chambered it in .308 and field tested it by HUNTING. YES!
So the original Prototype MODULAR COMPONENT RIFLE was used TO HUNT GAME.
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Best regards to all,
If anyone reading this has been keeping up on the shortages of ammunition I’m curious... is it easier to get .226 or 7.62 ammo these days?
I might want to purchase a new Militia Rifle.
With a special note to those in the media: stop preceding those words with the words: “High Powered_________”.
Shotgun ammo (slugs) are the most common of the “deer” rounds in my local stores. .308 is not there. 7.62x39 is in limited quantities. .223 is hit/miss
Best regards,
Okay this isn’t the first time I’ve heard shortages of .308 being widespread.
I’m curious though as to why this? Not being a sportsman/hunter I can only guess that it’s the predominant caliber for large game season and subsequently there are more .308 rifles out there an any other type.
.308 (7.62x51) was THE military cartridge at one time. M14 before the M-16 replacement. Egg heads came up with the idea that a troop could carry more ammo and therefore did not need to be as accurate and thus the .223 in the M-16. Iraq and Afghanistan has pushed the military to reconsider.
Further, the M14 was accurized and became the basis for the M21 sniper system. Lots of guys learned from that and from long range rifle competitions (vs the 30-06) and the .308 became the standard for mid range accuracy and knock down power for hunters due to availability of rifles (Remington 700 series / basis for the M24 sniper) and availability of ammo. It is consistently in the top 3 cartridges sold.
So demand is high, and once there is a shortage, it becomes self perpetuating as people start hording. Add the war, the concern for the Dems being in power and long tool up times for brass manufacturing .... well, you get a situation just like the one we have now.
I think both 30.06(US M-1906) and the .30-30WCF have consistently out sold .308 winchester (7.62 nato) for hunting in the US, that is not to say the .308 win is not a fine round, but I think other .30s may still out sell it.
Wasn’t the M1 30 odd 6?
The M1 carbine (I own one and like it) uses a 30cal round, which are hard to come by right now.
Angels can’t die.
I’m sure you meant “kitten.”
AR = Armalite Rifle (not assault rifle)
The M1 Garand[It rhymes with parent] uses a 30-06 cartridge. Tradition calls for it to be called thirty aught six. The “aught” is an old term for zero. The name is a breakaway from the old way of designating a cartridge by caliber and then powder measure as in a 45-70 cartridge. The change came with the use of smokeless powder. The 30-06 uses a .30 caliber bullet and was designed in 1906. It’s also called .30 Springfield.
The M1 Carbine uses a .30 caliber bullet but the cartridge is all together different. That cartridge is named .30 carbine. It’s basically a straight walled pistol cartidge.
It’s very important to understand what cartrige is used in your firearms and to use the proper name. Some cartidge terms are obsolete but the gunshop owners know the traditional names. A Wal-Mart clerk would have no idea what you’re trying to buy.
The M1A is a civilian version of the M14 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1A_rifle).
The “M1” designation was also used for a .30 carbine and for the M1 Garand which was .30-06
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