Posted on 08/12/2009 5:27:31 PM PDT by pissant
You can’t tell anything about hands from that picture of Sr. Neither Dunham or Sr. has those lines on the side of the nose but Davis does.
If he was born in Hawaii and his father was Obama, why would he need a forged birth certificate?
No amount of caps-locked yelling will change the fundamental error that you have made, and continue to make. What you believe does not trump the Constitution, and that document is clearly at odds with you, here.
Take the time to overcome your emotional response to the issue, and look at the Constitution, and the pertinent Supreme Court cases. None of them support your contention.
Whatever....I believe Sr is Jr’s father. Chief Engineer convinced me Sr is the father of Jr.
If Frank Davis is his father can he be removed for fraud if it comes out?
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I doubt it. UNLESS, it is found out that he knew it, and that Sr. was paid to be the fall guy/Dad and zer0 perpetuated the fraud all of his life.
He might play the poor me, and say he didn’t know, to get sympathy. I find it odd that his mother would ditch him and leave him in Hawaii. I think he might have been a pain in the ass, misbehaved a lot and she decided to leave him there with his father, Frank.
... every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen …
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Absolutely ...
It conforms with Blackstone’s English Common Law and also with Vattel (Law of Nations), although Vattel argues that citizenship always follows the father ...
And of Obama Sr?
Did he owe allegiance to any foreign sovereignty?
Why did he never acknowlege him? Why was Ann in Seattle right after he was born? There is no evidence whatsoever that he was ever with Ann or with BO. For all we know she could have gotten pregnant bu some black guy in Seattle. Sr. was compensated to take the fall.
The thing is, nobody knows and without the BC and a DNA test we will never know. He looks like Malcom X more than either of the other 2, BUT his mother has that long Dunham chin so that could account the similarity to X.
What did Chief base his theory on that Sr. was the father?
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=072/llcg072.db&recNum=2
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What am I looking at here ???
Fred, any pics of X when he was a child, baby?
Center column 3rd paragraph down.
Who?
“of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty”
And of Obama Sr?
Did he owe allegiance to any foreign sovereignty?
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Yup - Kenya was a colony or protectorate of the UK at the time.
Per the British Nationality Act of 1948 (which was the applicable law at the time):
(1) Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth ...
The Library of Congress link to the Congressional Globe
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Went to the page - did not see anything relevant to this thread ...
I am a “birther” in that I do believe that Obama is hiding something, and that he should release his long form birth certificate, along with other documents.
However, I also think that we should avoid crack-pot ideas, and realize that there is a difference between a legal strategy, a legal opinion, and settled law.
I do believe that there is a small amount of room for debate over my opinion that “Natural Born Citizen” means “Citizen at the moment of birth.
However, there is NO debate that John McCain was a United States Citizen, from the very moment of birth.
And, there is no doubt that those who disagree that John McCain was a United States Citizen, from the moment of birth, are crackpots.
You have NO legal authority that agrees with your crackpot opinion, anywhere.
Your crackpot ideas actually hurt the cause.
Well, Chief Engineer also convinced me long ago he was born in Canada. However, after all the clues pointing to Kenya, I now believe he was born in Kenya. She did so much research and is now suffering with Ovarian Cancer and has not posted most of the summer....has so much researched material here at FR it took me days and days to read her research. She actually pointed to a wild drunken party both attended celebrating the win of JFK and felt this is when Anne had sex with Sr and came up pregnant with Jr.
I think the fact that Congress passed, in 1790, "An act to establish an uniform rule of Naturalization" that stated : the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens indicates that such children were *not* considered natural born under the original understanding of that term. Else why add to the definition? For whatever reason, the words "natural born" were left out of the 1795 act which repealed and replaced the 1790 act. I tend to think it was because they realized they could not define a Constitutional term, except by the amendment process, but that's just conjecture. The provision has not been any subsequent law and so cannot currently be in effect.
That means that the definition remains what it was, and that it did not include children of citizens, even two citizens, "born out of the limits of the United States". The 1795 act merely provided that they were citizens, and the law retains the same provision today.
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