Posted on 08/12/2009 1:59:22 PM PDT by Slapshot68
"Not content to let General Motors grab all the shiny happy tree-huggy headlines today with its 230 mpg claim for the Chevy Volt in city operation, the gang manning the NissanEVs Twitter account needled GM's range-extended EV messiah, tweeting:
Nissan Leaf = 367 mpg, no tailpipe, and no gas required. Oh yeah, and it'll be affordable too!"
(Excerpt) Read more at autoblog.com ...
Have you read up on Lithium availability? The world doesn't have enough of the element available for everyone to put it in cars, computers, phones, etc. going forward.
Recycling combined with highly expensive refinery of poorer lithium compounds (creating the higher quality needed for Li-Ion) will be required. That, or alternatives that are being pursued as we speak.
There's hardly enough to drive a 5-horsepower lawn mower around a good-sized lawn.
The irony is that as much as they want to blame the death of the electric car in the early ‘00s on the Big Evil Oil Industry, when you look at the details, it was really mostly GM’s doing. They’re the ones that sued California, they’re the ones that chose to lease rather than sell, they’re the ones that stopped production even before they won their suit, they’re the ones that sold off their battery tech, etc. They had no intention of continuing the program at the time.
But hey, oil companies make a nice scapegoat.
I hope everyone realizes that once the gas cars are replaced with electric cars, the environmentalist wackos will try to put taxes on electricity claiming it pollutes the air from power plant emissions.
I’ve ridden in a Roadster before. Wow, that is an incredible car. It’s like riding a roller coaster around town. Slams you back in your seat like nobody’s business.
“Idiots.
How can you have a MPG (miles per gallon) if no gasoline or liquid is used. There is no gallon or volume of liquid involved. If you use electricity then you need a whole new measurement. Period.”
Stop that crazy stuff. You run the risk of being reported.
HelpsomeoneisaskingquestionshowdoIrespondBobGibbs@whitehouse.gov
No to the General Barry motor co.
You appear to be knowledgeable of these new technologies. Are you aware of the performance of these vehicles once air conditioning is considered?
Haha. Those file sizes slowed down my browser.
I am not a “car” person, and even less of an engine person. I just can’t wrap my mind around how increasing the need for electricity on fragile grids and using more fossil fuel to make that electricity makes us less dependent on it or makes cars any cleaner.
As to the MPG, the only thing i could figure is filling up a gas car like a prius or something really efficient, and letting that car and the volt go equally until the gassed car runs out. Then see how much further the other will go to get your MPG. I think its bunk anyway, since it only gets 40 miles on a charge so that prius will go many more miles than that, no?
“Have you read up on Lithium availability? The world doesn’t have enough of the element available for everyone to put it in cars, computers, phones, etc. going forward.”
Nonsense; you’re sounding like those peak oil folks. Lithium is all over the place. Even in seawater. Sure, you can’t get it for (literally) as cheap as dirt from seawater as you can from Bolivia and Chile, but you don’t need it to be cheap as dirt; it’s a small fraction the cost of the battery either way.
The Kings Valley in Nevada alone has as much lithium as the entire world’s “reserves” figure if you’re willing to pay $20 a pound for it. Which in terms of lithium ion battery costs is nothing. And I’d certainly rather get my batteries from Nevada mines and my power from West Virginia and Wyoming mines than my gasoline from Venezuelan rainforests and Iranian deserts.
The 230 is a lie. A blatant, bald-faced lie.
They plugged in the car, charged the batteries, then ran a 50 mile course. 40 miles were run before the hybrid engine started to recharge the batteries and power the car.
When operating in hybrid mode, the Volt gets about 60 mpg. Pretty good, but nowhere near 230.
Any electric vehicle should have an efficiency rating based on the cost of the electricity used.
Can I turn myself in? Will they take my keyboard? Please oh please.
“You appear to be knowledgeable of these new technologies. Are you aware of the performance of these vehicles once air conditioning is considered?”
Depends on the car. It’s usually somewhere between a 10-20% range hit to have the AC on full blast. Similar for heating if it uses a heat pump and waste heat (also at full blast), more for heating if it uses a resistive heater.
The 250Wh/mi figure for the Volt is wall-to-wheels, with AC. The 200Wh/mi figure (used for the 40 miles range on half of the 16kWh pack) is pack-to-wheels, no AC.
If these companies are going to build electric cars, why won't they make them more attractive? More like this ....
Tesla Model S
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