Posted on 08/12/2009 12:15:24 AM PDT by fretzer
There are ten easy steps toward a progressive-socialist-Marxist civil society: change the popular consensus; destroy Christianity, the traditional family, and existing social mores; transform the culture; install a radical Left mind-control; attain political power; impose strict control of the military and law enforcement; restrict freedom; socialize the economy; erase American sovereignty; and embrace a world without borders.
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“God Damn America!!”
The Thread of 'Cultural Marxism'
http://www.newtotalitarians.com/PsychicIronCagePartII.html
I also offer my own views written before the election warning of the danger of an Obama victory for precisely the reasons set forth here:(I flatter myself that I might have predicted Mr. Chandler's book in the last couple of paragraphs of my previous post)
Are We at an Inflection Point?
So Barone believes as I do that Obama is likely to win the election. What is truly scary follows, " the Democrats will (likely) expand their congressional majorities possibly even to the 60 votes they need to effectively control the Senate."
This means there is nothing to stop a "Manchurian Marxist" from taking over almost total control of the American economy. If this scenario obtains, Republicans will not even have resort to the filibuster to defend the Republic. Because there will be no check or balance, Obama's socialist policies, as they fail, will be compounded with more socialist policies to rescue the failures.
Worse, Obama has displayed a frightening tendency to enlist the power of the state to squelch free speech. His gang of Democrats in the House and Senate share his views and have already threatened talk radio. Obama has invoked the threat of prosecution against radio stations and in general, evidently, in the state of Missouri even against private citizens. The Kerry campaign intimidated television stations running the Swift boat film. Conservatives have every reason to fear that the country may enter a new dark age under a Putin like administration.
Nor can we sleep well expecting the courts to come to our rescue. There's not the slightest realistic hope that any federal court will declare the bailout unconstitutional as an impermissible usurpation of powers. We have already seen the court waffle on matters such as campaign finance reform so, we are entitled to nourish but little hope that free speech, if not the free market, will be protected.
Across the board of American life there is virtually no institution apart from government which could stand up against the power of an engrossed state. Our educational institution is corrupted from top to bottom with leftists. The higher the learning and the more prestigious the institution the greater the departure from common sense. Our great charitable institutions such as Ford or Rockefeller have been thoroughly infiltrated and are now controlled by leftists. Witness Bill Ayers and Barack Obama's plundering of the Annenberg foundation, originally founded by a conservative. It is now so commonly understood that the media is so given over to leftism that it requires no comment or proof here. Apart from a remnant of the Roman Catholic Church and the Evangelicals, the American Christian Church is best exemplified by the United Church of Christ which is practically a leftist front. The executive branch bureaucracy, not excluding the CIA and especially the State Department, are largely given over to undermining conservative principles and policies which are the expressions of our democratically elected leaders.
Take away talk radio, and the void leaves the playing field to the leftists virtually unopposed.
This is the specter that awaits us the day after the election.
These are the nightmares which prompt some of us on these threads to become testy at times when we see posts which are nothing but cheerleading and boosterism. These are the times which call every one of us to dig deep and face courageously the realities that confront us. I am not in the slightest deterred by replies to this post which recite that I am a defeatist. It may be true that I am an alarmist but I believe we have much to be alarmed about. Small wonder that we could become testy when we see a campaign slipping away or an opportunity missed. The stakes are really and truly high this time. It is my hope that Freepers, knowing that the barbarians are really at the gate, will turn their collective genius toward averting a catastrophe
later, in the same thread I added the following thoughts:
At the end of the day we see the thefts of property through thuggery. A good Marxist like Saul Alinsky-or Mao Tse Tung for that matter- are never above easing the travail of their own lives with such perks, but their ideological goal is the distruction of the concept and sanctity of property. There is a reason for that ideological goal.
The basic institutions of Western society which come out of the Judeo- Christian tradition and which were hammered out in our culture over the millennia and refined in the Enlightenment and in the American experience have served as bulwarks against the advance of communism. Foremost among the institutions which stand against the advance communism are the family, the church, the rule of law, the school, private property, and the military with its commitment to patriotism.
Saul Alinsky in his book, Rules for Radicals lays out a guerrilla against these institutions which frustrate socialism. Barak Obama was an acolyte of -indeed he was an instructor for- Saul Alinsky's operation.
To complete the picture, someday a conservative historian (presuming they are allowed to publish) will draw a straight line to Barak Obama which passes through Saul Alinsky, showing feeder lines off to people like Bill Ayers, and originating in The Frankfurt School. The Frankfurt School was expressly founded by a George Soros like figure in 1923 in Germany for the express purpose of providing the intellectual methodology to destroy the institutions which protect Western civilization. These intellectuals did provide rationalizations which today motivate the Barak Obama's of the world. The rationalizations are called: feminism; critical theory; conservationism; world order; political correctness; economic democracy, etc. and they all find their origin in The Frankfurt School.
When I say the barbarians are at the gate, I do not mean to diminish the sophistication of the enemy. We must make no mistake, we are dealing with an extremely crafty and dedicated foe whose ultimate aim is and remains despite the fall of the Soviet Union to break through the gates. Indeed, "barbarians at the gate" and "breaking through the gate" are the wrong kinds of imagery. The war is not being fought at this point with violence. It has been fought and mostly won by the other side by infiltration into the institutions which I mentioned in my previous post including the churches, the charitable foundations, the education establishment, the bar, and, as you point out, the unions.
If these people get their hands on the levers of power in America they will not let go.
This would mean that Americans will undergo a revolution in order to eradicate these nation destroying evil traitors.
Not exactly working out that way is it? See any of the town hall meetings the past two weeks? Looks like that 60 seat majority has not got him health care reform public option.
Too much unrealistic doomsday talk last year. There was similar talk in 1992 and Clinton win then gave birth to republican majority Nov 1994. This was the typical panic post on FR last year. "Run for your lives Obama is coming, McCain is our only hope with 'Bailout Bush' as his advisor ."
Not exactly working out that way is it?
Hello? Where have you been when Obama took over the automobile industry, banks, insurance? Where were you when he got Cap and Trade passed through the House of Representatives regulating virtually every industry in America and imposing the biggest tax increase in the history of the Republic-lacking only passage in the Senate? Where were you when he passed a three quarter trillion dollar porkulus package? Where were you when he busted the budget?
Do you want to rethink your reply?
Too much unrealistic doomsday talk last year.
What do you want, a celebration?
Where are your posts from before the election?
We know it's a control freak move because there are more people killed in LA than have been killed by all the conservative lone wolves in history. Same with any city. Dems don't care about deaths - they care about taking down a their political opposition. Conservatives are not a danger to anyone statistically. If you run into a conservative in a dark alley, he's probably lost - and no threat.
Conservatives are the law biding citizens. Check out your local prison if you have any doubt. Conservatives are not among the inmates. I've NEVER met a conservative who wanted to riot or burn down a city. But I HAVE SEEN LIBERALS RIOT AND BURN DOWN CITIES...
And yet, Obama is NOT looking into those groups. NOPE. This is a form of harrassement against conservatives. And when Republicans get back in office I want us to use the same tactics against people who use the term "teabagger". It's a reflection of hate - and a person who hates conservatives that much might want to kill one of us... Isn't that how the sick twisted liberal logic goes? So we'll set up police groups to look into liberals by what kind of language they use. They'll wish we were just checking out their library books.
We'll treat them the way they treat us. Eff each and every one of the liberal pigs. And if their goons and thugs are looking for someone to "check out", I'm here. And I hate liberals. Hate their goons. Hate their thugs. Hate their liars and trolls. Hate their union SS storm troopers. Hate their lying totalitarian ways.
I am tired of turning the other cheek with liberals. They are the party of liars. When we get back in office, let's investigate them - every liberal who has ever written the word, "teabagger" or trashed Rush Limbaugh. Those liberals might be dangerous - maybe even part of a vast left wing conspiracy... /s
Yes, the democrats appeal to the seedier of groups. Maryland offered drivers licenses to illegals and voting to ex-felons. But to get national power dems had to elect Blue Dogs who dont represent criminals and have different interests than them.
I mean nothing personal against you, that post was the typical hysteria here and on talk radio last year. That was Bush (a republican president) that took over automobile industry, banks, insurance and handed them to Obama. Bush also passed (at least signed and promoted) a similar stimulus last year that didnt work either, a little less than half the size of the Obama one but still loaded with crap and all debt. And the republican candidate McCain called for Cap and Trade too. So the 'if Obama wins...doomsday' talk falls flat.
Cap and trade died in the Senate. It would have passed if McCain was president. Your post predicted nothing would stop Obama from signing bills, not that the house would pass stuff that would die in the Senate. It's both the stimulus and the cap and trade failure that are making it so hard for Obama to get health care now. Your post didnt predict a train wreck after a few months.
I tried to warn republicans that Obama would win, try some big stuff, face a backlash, then get stuck. It wasnt rocket science but it contradicted the popular talking points.
That said, you are right, sickoflibs - dems had to run honest people in order to win in conservative/on the line - districts. Those blue dogs will slow down the worst of their corruption. And much of what they could get away with when they controlled all the media - they can't get away with today. The icing on the cake is once people have their eyes opened to dem lies, they are less likely to believe anything they say.
There are people on both sides who were genuinely surprised dems would hire people to pretend to care about the health issue. Now that they know, they will never see those "protesters" the same. They will never see dems the same.
Democrats are running ads against elected Blue Dogs and there are many youtube videos attacking them for holding up the public option as are some on MSNBC. To the democrat base the Blue Dogs are DINOs as we think on RINOs. Blue Dogs are what give dems their overwhelming majority but not overwhelming ability to pass anything Dem leadership wants As the public opinon drops Blue Dogs will run for cover.
And Obama will sign anything and call it a success but without republicans he has to unite Blue Dogs and Liberals. Blue Dogs already bit the bullet on both Stimulus and cap and trade, ironically liberals think they bit the bullet on those both too (giving up too much) leaving Obama with a challenge
Who has the Butter for my pop-corn ?
I forgot you, see #12
LOL = I have butter for your popcorn. Can you pass the salt...
First you defend the indefensible by resort to relativism. Although I did not explicitly state in my original post that one of the tools used by the left to undermine resistance to the leftist takeover is "relativism", I did mention the "critical theory," a component of which is relativism. You use relativism to justify what Obama has done, or at least minimize its significance, by alleging that George Bush and John McCain did or would have done the same. Do you understand the fatuity of that kind of argumentation? You are saying that one evil is okay because there is another evil! An argument grounded in relativism is hardly worth rebutting but let's put it to rest:
You relieve Obama of responsibility for Cap and Trade because you allege that John McCain would've done worse and he would have succeeded in doing worse where Obama has failed because "Cap and trade died in the Senate." In point of fact, Cap and Trade did not die in the Senate and is liable to be passed this fall, although the odds are diminishing. You further say the following:
And the republican candidate McCain called for Cap and Trade too. So the 'if Obama wins...doomsday' talk falls flat.
Cap and trade died in the Senate. It would have passed if McCain was president.
Apart from being an argument grounded in relativism, this assertion is preposterous. Although McCain at one point did favor a form of Cap and Trade, his position today is as follows:
McCain Slams Obama Cap-and-Trade Climate Change Proposal
Sen. McCain calls the proposed legislation aimed to stop global warming by giving industries a limit on greenhouse gas production is an "irresponsible, ill-conceived and distorted version of a cap-and-trade system."
(http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/04/21/mccain-slams-obama-cap-trade-climate-change-proposal/) So now we have relativism based on a false premise.
The assertion that you make:
That was Bush (a republican president) that took over automobile industry, banks, insurance and handed them to Obama.
Suffers from the same fatal deficiencies.
Finally, you assert as follows:
Your post didnt predict a train wreck after a few months.
I tried to warn republicans that Obama would win, try some big stuff, face a backlash, then get stuck. It wasnt rocket science but it contradicted the popular talking points.
Where are your warnings? I already asked you once, where are your pre-election posts?
You say that your reply is not personal but you come perilously close to making it personal when you say:
I mean nothing personal against you, that post was the typical hysteria here and on talk radio last year.
I think you missed the point of the entire article as well as fundamental truths which are embedded in it and in the articles which are referred to in the article and in my own replies. Evidently I am guilty of hysteria for accurately predicting an attempted takeover by Obama but for failing to precisely define the time limits and not predicting Cap and Trade would fail in the Senate. If that is proof of hysteria you need produce no more proof, I plead guilty but I count myself in good company among the good but no doubt hysterical burghers of the land who are out there in force at tea parties and town halls trying to save the Republic from those to whom the apathetic would so cavalierly yield up our liberties.
To assume the blue dogs will go off the reservation is to discount a whole series of factors that none of us might be aware of and that is the power that George Soros wields over the Democratic Party.
The point of the original article on this thread was show the real and present danger to the republic by the power in the hands of George Soros who controls the purse strings of the Democratic Party, can deploy foot soldiers without end into the Townhalls, streets and precincts of America, and who can exercise enormous influence over what gets published on the Internet and in the conventional media. It is not just that George Soros and a few plutocrat chums of his will contribute their own money into the Democrat machine, it is that Soros has managed to take control over most of the 527s and has gained a chokehold around the party's purse. Finally, every blue dog knows that he is only a primary away from a George Soros financed opponent.
Before we count the blue dogs off the reservation, we might be better informed political scientists. We ought to understand that there is more at stake here than popcorn.
Yes, the "rub"...
Thanks for including me! I have to wonder if the Blue Dogs really will be as compliant this time. They had their butts left hanging in the wind on crap and tax and for nothing—the bill is basically dead in the Senate—and the porkulus is also causing them to take a big hit politically.
Pelosi got greedy. Obama considers his healthcare takeover his most important priority, but Pelosi insisted on jumping the line with cap and trade and word is Blue Dogs feeled burned over the arm twisting they got. They voted for a tremendously unpopular bill and all for naught. She burned up a lot of political goodwill with those people as a result. She’ll have much less pull with them this time in a case of “fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.” She’s going to have a much harder time getting them on board after she used them up on cap and trade. Obama should be livid at her for jumping the gun on that and making it much harder for him to get the Blue Dogs on board with what he calls his most important priority. She is a flaming idiot—which is great news for us.
On the other hand, we know most of the Blue Dogs are phonies—including my Congresshag Jane Harman. So they may go walking over the cliff with the rest of the lemmings in the Democratic caucus on this all in the service of the Obama cult. But they should start updating their resumes. Many of them elected in very red districts that voted overwhelmingly for Bush and McCain and always had GOP representation previous to 2006 will be sent to the political gallows in November 2010 for their votes on cap and tax and on ObamaCare if they do vote for it.
RE :” First you defend the indefensible by resort to relativism ’
It's not that these things Obama did are good, it's that we were screwed with both parties, not just Obama.
RE :” Although McCain at one point did favor a form of Cap and Trade, his position today is as follows. McCain Slams Obama Cap-and-Trade Climate Change Proposal ”
rabs, please explain why McCain's actions now have little meaning wrt what he would do as president. Remember the ‘reformer who works with democrats to get things done’? Unlike Obama McCain would get significant republican votes for cap and trade with democrats and republicans would get the heat for rising electric prices.
RE :” Where are your warnings? I already asked you once, where are your pre-election posts? ”
Posts saying things wont be as bad as the hysteric-acs claim probably would have got zotted before the election but I know you wont find posts from me predicting anything better if McCain wins. I had to be careful not to get hanged by the panicking lynch mob at the time
We may be screwed, but it's both parties.
I am optimistic because congressional democrats walked the plank for Clinton in 1993 and 1994 with taxes, gun control and almost health care (by then it fell apart.) The result was a massive loss in 1994 for democrats and Clinton re-elected easily in 1996. All we need to do is remind Blue Dogs of 1993 and 1994 history and tell them Obama can win in 2012 by making THEM walk the plank in 2010.
The elected in power’s biggest fear is to lose power.
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