Posted on 07/23/2009 8:07:18 PM PDT by DavidFarrar
I have spent time trying to make sense of the recent debate over Obama's Constitutional qualifications to be President of the United States and have recently come to the conclusion that Obama would be a "natural born" U.S. citizen if his father was Obama Sr., a British subject and Kenyan national at the time of his birth.
AT THE TIME of his birth, obama’s mama didn’t meet the legal age to be outside the USA and give birth to a USA citizen, the law might have been changed, but AT THE TIME if she was outside the USA, her children WOULD NOT be legal citizens.
I am thinking he made so much money in campaigning he easily paid people off to make sure they weren’t publicized. remember Harvard is super liberal and I am sure they’d be more than happy to seal their release, if they were available someone would have found them by now.
There is no basis for your assertion that the State of Hawaii would have considered Obama’s parents to be unmarried.
Also, that having TWO citizen parents is part of the definition of “natural born” is not certain. I am practically certain that one of today’s “anchor babies”—with NO citizen parents—would, if the matter goes to court, will be called a “natural born U.S. citizen” merely because he was a U.S. citizen at the time of birth.
Even if the legal and logical ramifications don’t all pan out, the matter is worth pursuing because the very process of agitation keeps the INDISPUTABLE FACT OF A COVERUP before the public.
Born on US soil to two US citizen parents = Natural Born US Citizen.
Born on US soil to one US citizen and one foreign parent = US Citizen.
Born on foreign soil to two US citizen parents = US Citizen, but NOT Natural Born US Citizen (see John S. McCain).
Born on foreign soil to two foreign parents, but having been granted US citizenship through the US naturalization process = Naturalized US Citizen.
“Yes, I wonder if Obama is concerned that real birth certificate
would reveal that he was illegitimate or father a bigamist.
Something he would find personally embarrassing.”
My guess is you’re trying to put some fog around this issue -it’s not about whether he’s a bastard - we all know he is. The issue is whether he is a qualified candidate for the office to which he has been elected.
That fact would only be legally relevant if the marriage was legally recognized in Hawaii.
Now I realize there has been some discussion as to whether Obama Sr's. marriage(s) were ever legally recognized in Kenya. But I at this moment, I am assuming Obama Sr., was legally married to someone other than Obama Jr's. mother at the time of his birth, making her marriage in Hawaii ilegal.
ex animo
davidfarrar
Ok, I should have done research I suppose and specifically mentioned the year.
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/2150923/posts
They lived there “before 1961”.
Happy?
ex animo
davidfarrar
Do you believe that Illegal Aliens are willing to submit to our laws, meaning that they submit to our jurisdiction as written in the 14th Amendment?
It has always been a part of our laws that no person or persons should benefit from an illegal act even the illegal act of the parents.
For instance if two parents rob a bank of a million dollars and don’t get caught, and the money is discovered to be stolen when the child inherits it from his parents, it is still stolen money and must be returned to the original owner.
Illegal aliens steal citizenship for their children born here, they do so by breaking our laws, and neither they or their children should profit from their crime.
The same holds true for Obama’s fraud, if he was ineligible to begin with he has commited the biggest case of election fraud in history to the tune of almost a billion dollars in campaign donations he wasn’t eligible for to begin with.
LOL.... Ok.
ex animo
davidfarrar
Almost needless to say, no US court or legislature would accept that argument.
“My feelings weren’t consulted when I had to show my birth certificate when I enlisted in the United States Army.”
I enlisted in the Navy in 1967; they only seemed interested in whether I was breathing. Some years later, my father had to search real hard to come up with my birth certificate for my passport; it wasn’t needed for me to go into the service.
Thx for serving.
It's actually worse than that. Per the laws on the books at the time of Obama's birth, Stanley Ann would have had to have been at least 19 years of age to even convey simple US citizenship to her son, and she was not.
So, technically, the truth may be that Barack Obama was never a US citizen to begin with, let alone, a natural born US citizen. That requires TWO US citizen parents, and the child must be born on US soil.
At the time, Federal law required that in order to be natural born when only one parent was a citizen, that parent had to be at least 21. Obama's momma was 18.
The possibility of Obama having been born elsewhere is made possible from the following Hawaiian law:
[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]
He is a “Natural Born (somewhere) Commie Bastard”.
your argument is not original either
But isn’t that a literary magazine? I mean he couldn’t have had every copy of it found and locked away. I’m assuming it’s a published college magazine that many many students would have copies of at the time. Maybe I’m misunderstanding something here.
“Ok, you are incorrect that Obama would have been a “Natural Born Citizen” due to his mother being a US Citizen.
From 1952 to 1986, if a child is born to ONE US citizen and ONE NON-CITIZEN, citizenship will transfer AS LONG AS THE US CITIZEN HAS LIVED IN THE US FOR AT LEAST 10 YEARS, FIVE OF WHICH OVER THE AGE OF 16 (or 14 as some legal scholars have said). EITHER WAY, OBAMA’S MOTHER WAS 18, not old enough to transfer citizenship ON HER OWN MERIT.
Therefore, Obama is ONLY a citizen of what nation his FATHER was. Being born here (or anchor baby) did not automatically apply until 1986. So some (and justifiably) have argued even if he was born here, he is still not even a citizen, much less natural born.
However I feel most would accept being born here. Unfortunately, Obama won’t even prove that. And I don’t mean show a computer document to a website. I can’t march into the DMV and demand a drivers license with information they can obtain by viewing a copy on a photobucket account I have.”
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