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To: ctdonath2

“one plainly a forgery, the other very convincingly real”

1. Are these images available for viewing? Posted on line somewhere?

2. If a real one was available, why was a forgery offered in the first place?

3. In this day and age, what constitutes “convincingly real?” Bet I could do one with photoshop that would look real when viewed as a jpeg on the Inet.

4. The conservatives here are honest. They would rather discover the truth than be right at the expense of the truth. If a convincingly real COLB was presented, why is that fact not broadly known and accepted here?


26 posted on 07/21/2009 10:16:19 PM PDT by dsc (Only dead fish go with the flow.)
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To: dsc; frog in a pot; Polarik; LucyT
The photos are available here. Yes, they're provided by FactCheck.org, so they're suspect - yet there has been no viable allegations of doctoring on the high-res set. All key parts are clearly visible and look honest: the embossed stamp, the stamped signature, the text, etc. all seem real. Anyone who has not seen these has no business discussing the BC issue.

Yes, this is not proof that the backing documents (i.e.: the "long form BC") exist or are unquestionable. The indicated photos DO show (short of physically handling it yourself, which you won't get to) that the standard, legally binding certification does exist, which means that the State Of Hawaii stands by the claim that BHO is in fact a natural-born citizen.

Yes, there was another earlier scanned copy which was provably and obviously falsified, which of course raises more circumstantial evidence that something gravely illegal is going on. Address that in its proper context as suspicious behavior.

So drop the "doctored COLB" BS. Much as I want to see proof BHO is not eligible to be POTUS, and much as I believe there is overwhelming circumstantial evidence thereof, anyone who obviously is oblivious to the second "high-res" set of COLB photos is not worthy of further consideration and should shut up already. The "doctored COLB" has its place in discussion, but so far anyone talking about it as most do obviously is ignorant of the larger story. Pardon my harsh tone, but this is a point seriously harmful to the "birther" movement.

27 posted on 07/22/2009 6:47:55 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: dsc
If a convincingly real COLB was presented, why is that fact not broadly known and accepted here?

Oh, something "convincing" was presented by the Obama campaign, alright, but it only convinced those who wanted to believe in the first place.

The items published to the internet by the Obama campaign and FactCheck are most definitely "broadly known" here, but they aren't accepted because they're utter frauds.

37 posted on 07/23/2009 10:35:51 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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