Commander In Chief Obama Is Considering Allowing Uncloseted Gays In The Military, And At The Same Time Putting The Smoking Lamp Out - Permanently. Posted on 07/12/2009 5:48:52 AM PDT by joeclarke
Commander In Chief Obama Is Considering Allowing Uncloseted Gays In The Military, And At The Same Time Putting The Smoking Lamp Out - Permanently.
Mr. President, Could We Not Run The Military Like Acorn?
Here's A View From Someone Who Served In The Military In Vietnam. The point is also made that comparing African Americans with Homosexuals is a ploy. I served with Marines of all stripes and colors, and none of them jumped into my bunk - but a gay guy did. . .
It is beyond me how some of these armchair generals, who more likely than not, were comfortably populating the nonmilitary institutions of "higher learning" during the hippy-dippy days of the Viet Nam Era, can propose, that if the military disallows men who are erotically aroused by other men to enter the close confines of the service, then this is tantamount to racial hatred. The following relates my personal experience in the service, and please note, that in none of the situations described could the term "Afro- American" be used in lieu of "homosexual."
Black people can hardly be benefited by such comparisons. I am a disability retired Corporal who was medevaced out of Vietnam in 1970 after sixteen months service there, working in Aviation S-3 Operations, and as an occasional helicopter gunner crew member. I flew in areas in and around I Corps (the northern part of South Viet Nam). My permanent disability rating is 70% Marine Corps, and presently 100% V.A. due to "nervous condition".
The main point of my letter is that my nervous condition was brought on by many factors emanating from Viet Nam service including, very significantly, my witnessing two Marines in an operations building in Da Nang engaging in homosexual {NOT BLACK} activity. Another time, I remember one Marine {A HOMOSEXUAL, NOT A BLACK} who had the bad habit of hopping into the sack with several of us, while on mess duty, in Phu Bai - when we were asleep. The said Marine disappeared the following day, due to official or unofficial reasons. You don't mess around in a war zone. This is not a threat, but fraggings did happen.
There are other examples of this, and worse conduct, in the military and in the V.A. that I do not want to share at this time. I cannot enforce how demoralizing it was to observe this behavior {NOT RACE}. Shortly, thereafter, I was seeing a Naval "shrink" who prescribed medication that further weakened and depressed me. After ten years of military and V.A. psychiatric treatment, by the grace of God, I recovered enough to lead a non-medical-treatment life.
I vigorously believe, that we should not support the allowance for homosexuals {NOT AFRO-AMERICANS} to enter, or stay in, any section of the Department of Defense. Allowing women to be in close quarters with men is also idiotic - Look at the promiscuous behavior, lowered standards, and ensuing pregnancies (especially noticed in the Gulf and other wars) already currently rampant. In Haiti it is reported that military men and women are sharing the same quarters with no privacy. Since adultery and divorce is already high among active service men and their wives, why make the temptations for heterosexuals as well as homosexuals {NOT BLACKS} even more abundant?
I have written others urging their reevaluations of these issues. That it seems incomprehensible to me why government leaders entrusted with the public's welfare would want to adopt such liberal, noneffective and corrupting measures is an understatement.
Other points to consider: What grand purpose could there be in exalting individual rights in the military?
The peaking hormones of young soldiers. "Sensitivity" of homosexuals and "gay"bashing
Same facility bathing and sleeping. AIDS and increased medical costs for gays.
Testimonies of a multitude of command level officers who have publicly condemned the ludicrousness of such thinking.
Many years ago, they tried to make the military smoke free by 2000. It did not happen then, and most likely it will not happen.
Comparisons the only thing Obama knows no leadership skills what so ever!.
Oops, I thought I logge in to another topic, sorry .
What a POS - trying to remove freedom and decency at the same time from the very people who protect ours.
So: If Obama gets his way a GI could get a Dishonorable Discharge for smoking a cigarette and a pat on the back for smoking a skin flute.
The world she is a-changing, but do we really want it changed all that much.
I agree with what this guy wrote, but he significantly undermines his argument by saying that he acquired a psychiatric conditions partly from the trauma of seeing two people engaged in homosexual activity. That’s something you don’t particularly want to see, but to consider it a traumatic event makes the writer sound strange.
The change that we must insist on is Obama OUT in 2012.
If I were a black man I would be offended at the comparison. Skin color is not a choice; who you poke is.
Social engineering. Americans formerly opposed this communistic technique for controlling the population. Now most people don’t know what it is, or how it destroys freedom.
“I agree with what this guy wrote, but he significantly undermines his argument by saying that he acquired a psychiatric conditions partly from the trauma of seeing two people engaged in homosexual activity. That’s something you don’t particularly want to see, but to consider it a traumatic event makes the writer sound strange.”
You have to think inside a young man’s combat boots to understand that “men” in the 1960’s were not all that accustomed to seeing man-on-man sexuality in the service in a war zone.
Do you think young soldiers should become totally adjusted to viewing homosexual behavior in the foxhole, or any other holes available?
Call it traumatic or demoralizing, its the same thing.
“but to consider it a traumatic event makes the writer sound strange.”
Strange? Section 8 maybe.... The “I am disabled because I saw a couple of queers going at it” is absurd.
Oh! The horrors of war! Sheesh.
I think it’s distasteful. It’s certainly orders of magnitude less horrifying than what one would see on a battlefield. To call it traumatic or demoralizing diminishes the suffering of people who have had to endure real psychological trauma—seeing their parents machine-gunned, escaping from North Korea, watching a child die or be raped.
If you really think you were traumatized by watching a man put his penis into another man, you might want to talk to a psychologist to address what terrible things happened in Vietnam that are really bothering you.
You really don’t get it. I am no longer bothered by it like I was as a kid 40 years ago, but, if you know anything about military life, its not something that you want the troops to be exposed to. Were you in the military, in war?
Don’t be too anxious to refer people who think sodomy is an abomination to a psychiatrist. How have shrinks helped you?
I am not comparing queer sex to watching someone being machine-gunned down. There was much more that caused my troubles than watching gay sex. How much viewing gay sex would you consider healthy for the average soldier? Maybe you can socially engineer soldiers to actually like watching it after a while. You may have to encourage kids at an early age to sort of adjust to it so they may become effective, soldiers later in life.Psychiatry and your public schools are doing that now. May help “unit” cohesiveness, and I don’t mean “unit” in the way you think.
I only got better after I stopped visiting the shrinks - By The Grace Of God
The Smoking Ban will be used to drum out the guys we want in the ranks. They will need to be replaced with more “politically correct” troops.
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