The Senate: Where the Energy Tax and ObamaCare Go to Die

Patriot Room ^ | June 29, 2009 | Bill Dupray

[green pastures]

From the article, “The measure faces a steep climb in the Senate, and White House senior adviser David Axelrod, also on “This Week,” said it likely will not be dealt with until the fall.”

I thought I saw him say this on MTP... Something like, ‘look, it’s not like it’s being voted on in the Senate on Monday, it probably won’t be until the fall.’ I wasn’t sure if I heard right— why the hurry to get it through the House?

I keep latching on to snippets here and there that neither C&T or NHC will make it through the Senate. I hope that’s the case.

And one other comment— anyone making the decision for NHC or any health care proposal should be required to be covered by the plan they are voting for.

[Man50D]

Don't assume the Senate will reject BO's socialist health care. Call, email and fax your Senators to voice your opposition. Toll free Capital switchboard numbers are below.

800-828-0498

877-762-8762

[Man50D]

Don't assume the Senate will reject BO's socialist health care. Call, email and fax your Senators to voice your opposition. Toll free Capital switchboard numbers are below.

800-828-0498

877-762-8762

[LimaLimaMikeFoxtrot]

My Representative is Bart Gordon (D-TN), and I told his office today that I will work my ass off to see that he is VOTED OUT in 2010.

[oldbill]

Never underestimate the mischief that Snowe, Graham, McCain, and Collins can do.

Even with several defections the Dems in the Senate have the votes to push stuff this through. The four above will more than make up any Dem shortfall.

The eight traitorous Republicans in the House are amateurs compared to the RINOs in the Senate.

[oldbill]

Never underestimate the mischief that Snowe, Graham, McCain, and Collins can do.

Even with several defections the Dems in the Senate have the votes to push stuff this through. The four above will more than make up any Dem shortfall.

The eight traitorous Republicans in the House are amateurs compared to the RINOs in the Senate.

[Sunshine Sister]

I called Brownback's and Roberts office this morning to complain about both bills. I reminded them that unions and federal legislators are exempt from the provisions of the health bill. I'm tired of people who will not be paying the tax telling me what to do.

Roberts office said they are getting a lot of calls on this. Call your senators folks!

[nascarnation]

I sure hope you’re correct.

I think most liberals find cap n tax irresistable.
They get to use third parties (manufacturers, utilities, energy companies) to collect a huge new tax and then blame these same third parties for the increased cost to the consumer.

[RexBeach]

Careful. This crap sandwich could pass. Nothing is a done deal on votes.

Keep calling your senators. If you cannot reach them on the Hill, call their district offices!

[RexBeach]

Careful. This crap sandwich could pass. Nothing is a done deal on votes.

Keep calling your senators. If you cannot reach them on the Hill, call their district offices!

[Fresh Wind]

The Rats will buy every last vote that they need with our money.

[N3WBI3]

That’s what Im saying.. Lay it on the line and we will vote for you come your next election. There is some room for compromise but not on adding new bureaucracy to government. Let the dems raise the gas tax we can lower that when voters lash out in 2010, 2012... But if we let them add new powers we will never get those powers back in the hands of the people..

[Army Air Corps]

Bingo. Energy serfdom.

[MSF BU]

Some don’t...Tester, Nelson, Pryor, Lincoln. The GOP needs to target some or the vulnerable ones ASAP.

[DJtex]

The adults in the Senate are finally moving to rein in the Socialist mob in the House and at 1600 Penn.

[YankeeReb]

As the warm-up act on on Friday, Sen. Jim Inhofe all but guaranteed the Energy tax would never make it through the Senate.

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With all due respect to Sen Inhofe,I wouldn't t take that promise to the bank. I wrote to my two senators (Dodd & Lieberman) regarding this. Obviously I expected no response from Chris "Countrywide" and I wasn't disappointed. However, I figured Lieberman was one of the fence sitters in the dim party. For all the GOP (and Hannity's ) embracing him as a reasonable democrat here is the response I receive from his office:

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My comments in red

Thank you for writing to me regarding your opposition to climate change legislation. I respectfully disagree with your position and view climate change as the most important environmental challenge of our time.

Climate change is a very serious problem - not just for our environment, but for our economy and our national security, as well - and the way we produce and consume energy is making the problem worse. We need to pass legislation to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions and transition to a clean energy economy. To do that, we will have to build a broad coalition.

To succeed, a bill will need diverse support, which means bringing everyone to the table and really listening to what they have to say. We have to sit down with the environmental community, the business community, and the scientific community. We have to talk to Members of Congress on both sides of the aisle about how best to address this crucial issue.
One critical constituant was left out in "everyone" the American Taxpayer

This could be a watershed moment. We have near scientific unanimity that humans are causing climate change,
Sorry, but "near scientific unanimity" is a meaningless term, either its a proven theory or it isn't we have a Congress poised to take action, and we have a President pushing for progress. In his inaugural address, President Obama told us "each day brings further evidence that the ways we use energy strengthen our adversaries and threaten our planet." He is absolutely right,
Is that why the Obamasiiah flew Air Force One over NYC for a photo op? Sorry Joe I aint buying what you're selling.
and I look forward to working with the President to: (1) promote energy innovation so that we can produce and consume energy more cleanly and efficiently; (2) protect energy consumers from rising power prices;
How will this legislation protect consumers?
(3) prepare our communities to respond to the impacts of climate change; and (4) create jobs as we transition toward a clean energy economy.
Don't you mean as we transition to an agrarian third-world economy?
I also support including provisions in climate change legislation that would ensure a cap-and-trade system does not increase the deficit.
BHAHAHA that's rich.


Climate legislation should improve our environment and grow our economy at the same time. In these tough financial times, some have asked whether it makes sense to focus on the environment. The fact is, ignoring climate change until our economic situation improves will ultimately be far more expensive - and destructive - than taking steps to address it now.
Than why isn't the savior sitting down and negotiating with China and India to adopt this Crap and Trade scam?


Climate change does not just threaten our environment, it endangers our economy and national security, as well. Left unabated, its impacts will ravage coastlines and coastal communities, destroy large swaths of roadways and railways, and seriously degrade land resources and biodiversity. Additionally, climate-induced droughts will cause famine, threatening already scarce resources and further destabilizing developing nations that are unable to quickly adapt. Every day we fail to reform our energy habits, we guarantee the solution will be far more expensive; and if we wait much longer, there may be no solution.

If we are able to pass climate change legislation this year, we will ensure the integrity of our environmental legacy for generations to come. I am working hard to make certain we move toward that important goal.
You'd better pass it before 2010 or you won't have the votes. The sheeple are slowly waking up Joe.


As you may know, on April 17, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) released a preliminary finding that carbon dioxide emissions harm human health and welfare.
Newsflash Joe: CO2 is part of the carbon cycle upon which all life on earth depends.
Though the finding has not yet been finalized, if and when it is, EPA will be able to regulate greenhouse gas emissions under the Clean Air Act.
Great... more federal regulation, George Orwell would be proud.
One option the agency will have for doing so will be to set reduction targets. I believe strongly that cap-and-trade would be the better approach. It allows businesses to comply with reduction targets in the most economically efficient way possible, which, in turn, helps keep American-made goods competitive and keeps energy prices down.

By the time Knee-Cap and Trade is thru the only American Made goods will be hemp tee-shirts

Thank you again for sharing your views and concerns with me. I hope you will continue to visit my website at http://lieberman.senate.gov for updated news about my work on behalf of Connecticut and the nation. Please contact me if you have any additional questions or comments about our work in Congress.

Sincerely,


Joseph I. Lieberman

UNITED STATES SENATOR

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So in case you think defeat in the senate is a slam dunk, I'm telling you to start writing to your senators now, before the frenzy starts, and don't forget to thank those senators standing with us. < /soapbox >

[Wisconsinlady]

B.S. They are just saying this to get people to back off. No way. Keep calling, emailing and faxing the Senators, especially the Republican ones, and tell them we are watching them closely and we have memories like elephants. (Republican elephants)

[epow]

When Senators from both parties don't like the idea of Nationalized Health Care, never mind raising taxes to pay for it, maybe the Senate will save us all from Barack Obama after all.

I would like very much to believe that, but over the course of several decades I have been disappointed way too many time by the timidity and last minute cave-ins of the Repubs in both houses of Congress to take their defiant words seriously. Repubs who put more importance on being invited to the "right" cocktail parties and their popularity with the D.C. press corps than on the best interest of the nation and it's people are not worthy of the public's trust AFAIC.

If I had a dollar for every time I have been reasonably confident that congressional Republicans would stop a looming disaster or put through a needed bill as they said they would and then later turned on the TV only to learn that the Dems rolled them one more time, I could help put GM and Chrysler back on the profit side of the ledger.

[Onelifetogive]

Alabama is doing our part to kill this idiocy. With 7 reps (4 GOP and 3 Dem), Alabama provided 7 NO votes in the house. (This includes the "special" district created to keep minorities out of regular districts.)

I am quite sure that in the Senate our two GOP Senators will make it 9 for 9 against this travesty.

Why don't some of you other states help us?

[Blue Turtle]

Very well said...I hope you are correct.