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June 14th, 2009 | Me

Posted on 06/14/2009 12:34:13 PM PDT by NoPrisoners

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To: Riley
I heard Dave Ramsey address credit counseling services a few weeks ago. The caller asked nearly the name question about them as the original post did. Ramsey said to avoid them and gave the same advice as the other posters on this thread already have.
41 posted on 06/14/2009 1:14:06 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: NoPrisoners

Call your CC and ask about a ‘payment holiday’. Most have it//it allows you to have one paymnt forgiven..int. still compounds...but the pymnt is NOT reported late to the credit bureaus.


42 posted on 06/14/2009 1:15:08 PM PDT by maineman (BC EAGLES FAN)
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To: NoPrisoners

Get loans from credit unions at low interest rates.
Pay all credit card bills you can and save.
Get a part time job and work nights.
Wait a month.


43 posted on 06/14/2009 1:15:41 PM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: Cyber Liberty; NoPrisoners

“I’d also add you should keep mental track of which creditors are A-holes to you, so that later on, when you get on your feet again, you can dump them for better folks”

REAL good advice here...this is how I ended up with a good small community bank instead of the bstrds that are raising everyone’s credit rates while cuttin their lines...


44 posted on 06/14/2009 1:16:46 PM PDT by jessduntno (July 4th, 2009. Washington DC. Gadsden Flags. Be There.)
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To: NoPrisoners
As a side note to all FReepers great ideas and advice.....call your regular bills like phone, cell phone etc and ask for reduced rates. I have done that twice this year for home and office and they have complied with no questions asked. Get out all the copies of your bills and go through them line by line. Get serious and start asking: What services do I really need? What can I do without? I saved my home and office in the last 2 weeks -

$20/month phone, $40/month office (Bundling services also helps and can save even more money)

$10/month DSL home, $21/month office

$150/month office space rent (and no additional signing of lease)

$22/month cell phone, $38/month office

$36/month office alarm company if we pay quarterly

$61/month office special usage with water company ( I called and asked if there were special programs for offices that dont use very much water..and yes there was a program!)

Saving about %23 on electricity with energy saving bulbs at the office and about %15 at home

$29/month health insurance...by going with another company I get more coverage and rates are lower since I am in excellent health for my age

45 posted on 06/14/2009 1:21:24 PM PDT by BossLady ("WE are the origin of all coming evil" ~~ Carl Jung~~)
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To: NoPrisoners

- House comes first, call your mortgage servicer and first ask for forebearance, allowing you to skip payments with the missed principal and interest tacked onto the end of the loan. You should have done this well before now, but that’s water under the bridge. It would help to know if you’re in a recourse state, and how far behind you actually have fallen. A loan modification could be in order, if you’re in a recourse state. If no-recourse, I wouldn’t trade away my legal right to walk if necessary.

- Transportation comes second. If you owe a note on your car or cars, you have much less leverage, and they will repossess if you miss more than two months. Get that straightened out. Again, hiding from your creditors, while understandable, is very bad. Most reputable lenders don’t actually want to take on the added difficulty and expense. But, with a vehicle, the fuse is fairly short.

- Credit cards, etcetera ... how far behind are you and how much do you owe? Your credit is already trashed, evidently. With universal default, the rate(s) are likely upwards of 25%. I, myself, would never do this, but it very well could be practical to just default.

- Utilities and such do not typically affect your credit score, but do have a grave impact upon your ability to live in your dwelling. Negotiate a repayment schedule.

- Taxes in arrears can be a real nightmare. But, again, repayment can be negotiated.

In general, don’t reestablish your liability for debt that has been passed on to a collection agency, in word or in writing.

Many of these debt couselor services are scams. Going to one is going to ding your credit even more than it already has been.

Beyond this, I don’t know what to say other than good luck, and congratulations upon finding employment in this environment. I went through the same thing last year, but did not run through all my emergency fund before taking a job with a former customer at a big cut in pay. I do know how it feels, though, and had to think through how to handle financial matters spiralling out of control. They never did for me, fortunately, but the above is what I determined at the time.


46 posted on 06/14/2009 1:24:25 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: NoPrisoners
and it's really embarrassing.

Yes, but as others have said, you're not alone. And I suspect it's far more shameful to walk away from the debt than it is to try and make good on it when you're back on your feet.

Hang in there. FWIW, I think you've done the right thing to admit there's a problem, ask for help, and then to follow what you consider to sage advice.

47 posted on 06/14/2009 1:25:57 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Support Our Troops ~ www.AmericaSupportsYou.mil ~)
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To: NoPrisoners
You're not an idiot. If anything, you're a statistic. One amongst thousands being harmed by the Obama economy.

Prayers up your way, sir.

48 posted on 06/14/2009 1:30:00 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: NoPrisoners

You are not an idiot!

Sounds like you need to make some minimum payments on yoru credit cards etc. Hopefully this is a small problem i.e. a couple of thousand dollars and not a huge issue. If thatis the case think of how you can make the minimum payments until you get paid at work and get back on track.

1. Find a quick job. Delivering Pizza, yard work, part time at retail etc. Find some way on weekend and night to get some cash to make those payments.

2. What can you sell? Do you have a small coin collection and odd motorcycle, spare care, something you can sell to squeeze the cash out of.

3. Can you get a salary advance at work? Probably no but worth a thought.

4. Is your wife working? Can she work part time something to bring in a little scratch.

5. Last on my list would be do you have a IRA or 401(k) you could take a loan against or family that could help? If you truly just need 30 days capital to get you there. I hate borrowing from family but when puush comes to shove...

Most of all like others are saying CALL your credit card companies and work with them directly. Don’t wait for them to call you. Also only promise what you can for %100 do. Don’t promise to pay $100 and then only be able to afford $50. Doing what you say will go a long way to building your reputation that the lendor can actually work with you.

If you do use a crdit counseling service make sure its non profit. Don’t pay anything for the service.

Best of luck. Hope everything works out okay. Sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders and are doing what it takes.


49 posted on 06/14/2009 2:13:03 PM PDT by Syntyr (If its too loud your too old...)
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To: NoPrisoners

Most of the credit counseling firms are THIEVES AND CROOKS! they take in “fees” as much as you would save by the reduced payments they supposely negotiate. STAY AWAY!

The NFCC is one of the few legit groups. http://www.nfcc.org/


50 posted on 06/14/2009 2:27:02 PM PDT by MrDem (Monthly Special: Will write OPUS's for Whiners and Crybabies for no charge.)
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To: NoPrisoners

Congratulations on the new job!

I’d stay away from credit counselors. Just contact the various parties you owe money to and explain the situation, and ask if you can make just token payments for two months, and then start making regular payments again after that. Most will be reasonable.


51 posted on 06/14/2009 2:36:47 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: NoPrisoners
You are not an idiot.
You are lucky that you have a job, don't pay the unimportant ones until later, swallow your pride and borrow from family if you must, but at least you will soon be back on top.

Don't trust these 'advisers', after all, they too need to be paid, and you will be expected to pay them. The last thing you need is another person in line waiting to be paid. Pay the things you absolutely, positively must, and the rest can wait.

52 posted on 06/14/2009 2:39:19 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: NoPrisoners

Dave Ramsey,

When hubby and I were having some severe financial problems we followed his advice and while it was not easy, we’re doing fine today. We still use some of his advice, especially for budgets.


53 posted on 06/14/2009 2:44:48 PM PDT by Brytani (DC Freeper Convention and National Tea Party - FreepMail Me for rooms and convention info!)
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To: NoPrisoners
Ok, I freely admit it - I am an idiot.

As others have said, don’t fee bad. Loosing your job due to downsizing isn’t your fault. You’re not alone and others are in a lot worse shape – at least you have a new job.

I agree with most others that you should work directly with your creditors especially if you are only a month behind and aren’t carrying huge balances.

But before you do, it’s very important to workout a detailed budget for say the next six months. And be realistic and don’t cut your self short for unexpected expenses and prioritize the most important ones; home, utilities, car, gas, insurance, food. You have to give first priority to a mortgage, car payment and utilities. Your mortgage and auto loan creditor will probably work with you but utilities can be tricky.

As you’re not going to be paid for another month you might want to contact your payroll department and ask them if they can give you an estimate of what you net pay will be. When I was a payroll manager I often did this for people and was usually within a dollar or two.

Workout your budget for necessities, then factor in what you can pay on your credit cards/unsecured debts for the next six months.

When you call your creditors, some may try to pressure you to pay more than what you budgeted. For instance you say: on July 15th I can send you $100 and on August $200 and $200 for the next 3 months. Depending on the company, you might be pressured to send them $500 on July 15th and then the $200 per month…This is why having a plan and a budget is important.

Once you have your budget worked out; be polite but stand firm. Explain that you have new job and a budget that you can’t deviate from.

Good luck and congratulations on the new job.
54 posted on 06/14/2009 3:07:46 PM PDT by Caramelgal (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
Absolutely, try for a mortgage loan modification. My cousins just received a modification which saved them over $1000/month on their payment so now instead of paying over $2800, they pay a little over $1800. And this was their 2nd modification when the lender had originally said they wouldn't modify it again -- but we convinced them that due to changed circumstances and the decline in the real estate market, they were eligible for the modification.

Also see http://www.makinghomeaffordable.gov/ for more info.
55 posted on 06/14/2009 4:23:19 PM PDT by Fast Moving Angel (GOP: Stop listening, start doing -- we need new leaders!)
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To: NoPrisoners
You're only a month behind on your bills.

In a perfect world you'd have family who could float you a loan to meet your payments. If not, then go to the bank and ask for help..Try it anyway.

And FWIW, you are not an idiot.

sw

56 posted on 06/14/2009 4:32:21 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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