Posted on 05/29/2009 7:23:17 AM PDT by farmer18th
Postponing his own lucrative summer work on the North Slope oil fields, Todd does the bulk of the childcare for now, while Bristol also hits the gym and tanning. "My dad lets me go tanning quite a bit."
(Excerpt) Read more at debbieschlussel.com ...
I am selective in my mercy due to the disposition of the people involved. One is taking care of the child and one is not. Dummy is not dealing with his responsibilities and therefore will not get my mercy because he doesn't deserve it yet. When he stops whoring himself out to TV gossip shows and takes responsibility with his actions, namely, supporting his child, I'll change my mind.
Firstly, you assume way too much. Secondly, you have some nerve to actually accuse me of not reading the New Testament. Do you have some sort of other worldly knowledge where you know what certain people have read and have not? Unbelievable.
Anyway to the argument at hand... Matthew 19-5:6 "For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they two shall be in one flesh. Therefore now they are not two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder."
I see no "both parties are responsible" clause in scripture. You don't seem to understand the discussion was about divorce of a "legal" marriage. There is no sacramental nor legal marriage here. Nor do I see there a requirement nor a command to only marry the biological father of the child. This would not make sense. Each situation has to be judged by its own merit. Bristol has made her decision for now. She will not marry Levi because she dosen't think he will be a good father and so far she is right. If Levi changes his behavior then I think she should take a second look.
Either way, these are young, immature, adults dealing with a serious issue. It will take time. But let's not be self righteous here. It is most unbecoming.
I don’t see anyone on this thread saying that we should sin so that grace may abound. There is no shortage of sin in this world, and there never has been. And how are the Palins sinning so that grace may abound? Leaving a child with it’s grandfather while you go to the gym? I guess I am going to sin tomorrow morning, because I am leaving mine with my parents while I go work out! Should Sarah and Todd punish Bristol by refusing to help care for her child?
What course of action could they take that would cease their sinning so that grace may abound? This isn’t a teen pregnancy anymore, it’s a baby. That family seems to be trying to make the best of a bad situation. They appear to be doing so out of love, and not political expediency. The expedient thing to do would have been for her to have quietly had an abortion. Their lives would be a lot easier that way. Sarah could have aborted Trig, too. They really could have taken the easy way out a couple of times.
How confident are you that a gossip magazine (yes, gossip) painted an accurate picture?
This is it.
I have had enough of the self rightiousness and pathetic religious meddling on Free Republic. What ? Do you think your sh## don’t stink ? Is your life perfect. This is real life. Like it or not, this is not 1949.
I am a christian. I try to reach out to people and tell them about the Lord. But people like YOU chase them away. I understand why they are turned off. I understand why people what no part in this religion. People like YOU.
leather? or tanning during the long cold winters might just deprive you of natural VitD?
The “good news” starts with crying repentence. The fact that you see the world as a kind of timeline of progress (”it’s not 1949 anymore”) means that you have swallowed the humanist idea of the march of human achievement more than you have imbibed the truths of the gospel.
“Trying to be charitable to Todd, then, is this really the family you want selling limited government?”
Huh? The Palins aren’t receiving government assistance in any form. They actually are advocating limited government by supporting each other, making sacrifices, instead of asking the government for help.
My guess is Ms. Schussel is a woman has put off getting married and starting a family, for the sake of her career, and is angry that a woman who chose to get married and have children has achieved so much. Is the Palin family perfect? Nope. But the level of hate and vitriol seeping into Ms. Schussel’s articles says to me she is angry with the way her life is going and resentful someone who chose a different path is succeeding in ways she couldn’t.
I haven’t achieved anything career wise really, as I have concentrated on my family, but I don’t feel the need to be resentful of those who have. God chooses different paths for us all.
Try to find me a perfect candidate with a perfect family. Is there such a thing ?
You’re not listening. I’m talking about candidates who are strong enough in their own beliefs not to be compromised by even their own children’s mistakes. If Sarah said, “I love my daughter, Bristol, but I think she and Levi have demonstrated terrible irresponsibility in not getting married to each other,” or “..the proper thing to do is give a child a father AND a mother; we’re encouraging Bristol to get married as soon as possible...” that would go miles to deflating the “single mommy” mythology that is being built by these incidents.
The baby is born. It is not a curse, but a gift from God. Bristol made a mistake, but a baby was not the mistake. All they can do is move on with their lives. Monday morning quarterbacking will not solve anything, kicking your own daughter to the curb will not solve anything. Love and compassion should always go above when a baby is involved.
A lot of things should be different. The judgement and hypocracy angle of this is a waste of time.
All that matters...
1. The baby is safe and in a loving home.
Maybe somebody should have done something different. But that is in the past. Sarah could not trash her daughter for making a mistake. at some point you have to take the cards to are dealt in life and move the heck on.
I repeat the data. In 1960, 3.5% of babies were born to unwed mothers. Now it is 40%. Even Democrats, at one time, knew the value of an intact home. Republicans need to provide leadership on these issues—not low-tax versions of the same irresponsibility we’re seeing across the aisle. It’s not just enough that the baby is born into a loving home. The baby needs a father—and conservatives should say so, starting with Sarah.
I don’t even know my fathers phone number.
step into the real world. things happen. life is a bit (not of honey) x...
The baby is safe. and in a loving home. I was mostly raised by my grandparents too.
Why does this woman hate the Palins so much? Is there some kind of Peggy Noonan virus going around?
If you were raised by a human-sacrificing Aztec sun-priest would you make policy decisions based on your personal history? I’m glad you turned out, I presume, “okay,” but would you wish single-mother parenting on all of America? The standard of Western civilization has been marriage—and that should be defended, not ignored, by conservatives.
While it doesn’t apply to Bristol’s specific case, the out of wedlock phenomenon started exactly when we started paying women to have children out of wedlock. Subsidize something, you get more of it.
I Corinthians, Chapter5? Are you accusing the Palins of incest? I have heard that accusation from some nutty leftists who wallow in Palin gossip like you do, so I think it’s a just question.
So you think the Palin’s church should boot them all out because of Bristol’s sin, or just Bristol? Is Bristol living in this sin right now? If so, what steps must she take to re-establish fellowship? How do you know she hasn’t already taken them? Are you certain she hasn’t repented? What are your sources of information? Gossip?
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