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Tobacco Runners On U.S.-Canada Border
Chronicle Herald ^ | 04/05/09

Posted on 04/05/2009 1:03:04 PM PDT by AtlasStalled

It is a huge black market trade, and it is growing rapidly. * * * 95 per cent of the smokes come from clandestine factories on reserves, mostly from the New York State side of Akwesasne, the centre of a massive spiderweb of smuggling operations. The riverside Mohawk community of Akwesasne straddles three borders, Ontario, Quebec and New York State, and it is a smugglers' paradise. * * * The Mounties say there are 105 organized crime groups in Canada involved in the tobacco trade, from mom-and-pop operations that only deal in cigarettes to violent groups, including the Italian mafia, Hells Angels, Asian street gangs and Jamaican posses. The Mounties can point to a growing list of busts involving gangsters and illegal tobacco. The most recent was March 12, when they charged 22 people, including two Hells Angels and two Kahnawake Mohawks, in connection with a cigarette and methamphetamine ring around Quebec City. This kind of thing makes even the Mohawks who are involved in the business nervous. The Mohawks of Kahnawake have mixed feelings about the trade. Although it employs many people on the reserve, they don’t want gangsters on the streets. In Akwesasne, police have seized AK-47s and rocket launchers, several people have been killed during police chases with smugglers, and Hells Angels ride down the street in their colours.

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To: libertarian27

The source of SCHIP funding is targeted for elimination by political means and it appears that they know damn well what they’re doing.

I hope the clowns that are happy with the targeting of the tobacco industry are happy with the new taxes that will be imposed on something else inside of 5 years.


21 posted on 04/05/2009 1:55:50 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: cripplecreek

wanna bet that it will be fast/junk food?


22 posted on 04/05/2009 2:03:53 PM PDT by stefanbatory (Do you want a President or a King?)
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To: AtlasStalled

Hmmm.

Here you are again.

Has anyone welcomed you to FR yet?


23 posted on 04/05/2009 2:07:39 PM PDT by fanfan (God, Bless America, please.)
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To: AtlasStalled; GMMAC; Clive; exg; kanawa; backhoe; -YYZ-; Former Proud Canadian; Squawk 8888; ...

24 posted on 04/05/2009 2:08:21 PM PDT by fanfan (God, Bless America, please.)
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To: angkor
Try again. They've gotten smarter about and it's actually legal to ship them to you one carton at a time (and even with shipping expenses, it's still cheaper).

But glad to hear you quit.

25 posted on 04/05/2009 2:27:22 PM PDT by mbraynard (You are the Republican Party. See you at the precinct meeting.)
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To: AtlasStalled

Microstamping of each cigarette!!

Wait for it.


26 posted on 04/05/2009 2:47:09 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (CPA, MBA needs a job - referrals welcome)
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To: stefanbatory
wanna bet that it will be fast/junk food?

Oh I'd count on it.
27 posted on 04/05/2009 2:53:31 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Uncle Meat

Trailer Park Boys penetrates the USA. Can’t we keep any of our Canadian heritage to ourselves?


28 posted on 04/05/2009 3:17:50 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name now that we have the most conservative government in the world?)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

I used to watch Corner gas late at night but can’t get it any more. That show was hillarious.


29 posted on 04/05/2009 3:27:27 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: patton
The primary scheme is “reimportation” - the cigs are legally shipped, tax-free, out of the country.

That was true in the early 1990s but is no longer the case. The "reimportation" was stopped when the government imposed taxes at the point of manufacture, cracked down on smugglers (back then most of the bootleggers were gangsters) and most importantly, they slashed tax rates to the point where bootleggers couldn't compete. This time around, the cigarettes are manufactured tax-free on Indian reserves at Six Nations and Akwesasne. The $10 "baggies" are brutal but the Indians also produce premium-quality cigarettes that sell for $15-$30 per carton. I pay $18 for my brand.

30 posted on 04/05/2009 3:28:26 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (TSA and DHS are jobs programs for people who are not smart enough to flip burgers)
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To: Squawk 8888

I bought us-made marlburos last summer in Riyadh, for about $15 a carton.

You think those aren’t coming back, when the US price is $50, in VIRGINIA?

BS. I would start the business myself. Err, were I not a law-abiding conservative, that is.


31 posted on 04/05/2009 3:33:44 PM PDT by patton (I hope that they fight to the death and both sides win.)
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To: patton

Ah, I was referring to the “reimportation” of the Canadian brands back in the early 1990s. Customers in the USA were legally importing tax-free cigarettes from Canada, then smuggling them back in.


32 posted on 04/05/2009 3:35:50 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (TSA and DHS are jobs programs for people who are not smart enough to flip burgers)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

It’s a funny show,better than our stupid sit coms.


33 posted on 04/05/2009 3:38:56 PM PDT by Uncle Meat
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To: Squawk 8888

Yep, got it. Look for it, it won’t take long.


34 posted on 04/05/2009 3:43:24 PM PDT by patton (I hope that they fight to the death and both sides win.)
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To: GRRRRR

“I just finished rolling my own first carton...”

I once knew a guy that could roll a cigarette with one hand. While riding a horse!


35 posted on 04/05/2009 3:46:59 PM PDT by 21twelve (Drive Reality out with a pitchfork if you want , it always comes back.)
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To: Uncle Meat

Had some friends from the US here once with their (older) kids. They couldn’t believe the language over the air when that show came on. I don’t know if you saw the raw or sanitized version. In Canada the “f” word flies from start to finish.


36 posted on 04/05/2009 3:48:03 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name now that we have the most conservative government in the world?)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

I’ve seen every episode uncut.I always thought the cussing was an eggageration of people that live in trailer parks there.I turned the guys on to the show at work.Downloaded them on CD’s so they could check them out.The boss got a big kick out of Ricky,Julian and Bubbles.The Conkey episode was great.


37 posted on 04/05/2009 4:09:46 PM PDT by Uncle Meat
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To: Former Proud Canadian

They get away with it because it’s on a cable channel. Over the air there is some salty language but only after 10pm.


38 posted on 04/05/2009 4:36:13 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (TSA and DHS are jobs programs for people who are not smart enough to flip burgers)
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To: Uncle Meat

Conkey was a little weird.


39 posted on 04/05/2009 7:34:10 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name now that we have the most conservative government in the world?)
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To: 21twelve
21twelve wrote:
"I once knew a guy that could roll a cigarette with one hand. While riding a horse!"

Best way to do that is to use Bull Durham tobacco or to move your regular tobacco to a Bull Durham bag. Then you can use one hand and your teeth on the bag's draw string, leaving the other hand for the reins.

40 posted on 04/05/2009 7:37:52 PM PDT by Clive
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