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To: Chief Engineer; Calpernia; Fred Nerks; null and void; pissant; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; ...
Yes, it does make sense something like a name change or some other court action occurred in December 1971 when Obama Sr came to Hawaii, just when Ann and Obama Jr seem to be in town.

I've long though it was odd that Obama Sr, who hadn't really met Obama Jr in the 10 years since his birth, flew nearly 11,000 miles from Kenya to Hawaii for a 10-year class reunion Univ of Hawaii. Obama Sr had graduated from U of HA in May or June of 1962, 9 1/2 years earlier. Coincidentally, that's just when Ann briefly traveled to Hawaii with Obama Jr from her home in Jakarta with Lolo. She just happened to be there in Dec 1971 while Obama Sr was there. Ann was there to drop off Obama Jr to stay with his grandparents while he attended school in Hawaii away from his mom, step-father and baby sister Maya. Or perhaps, Lolo was there in Hawaii after all during that time to sign paperwork ... who knows.

The Indonesian school records seem to indicate Obama Jr had already been adopted by Lolo Soetoro in 1966 or so.

It was "decided" that Obama Jr would live with his grandparents in Dec 1971. The marriage between Ann and Lolo doesn't seem to fully hit the skids yet based upon Ann's statement on the 1980 divorce request: "husband and wife are not legally separated but have lived apart by mutual consent since Aug 1974."

So, an American (Hawaii) adoption or Obama Jr by Lolo, who was an Indonesian with a name change involved to Barry Soetoro, seems like a very likely scenario. Of course, we don't know that for sure since the Obama Jr/Barry Soetoro is not specifically named on the 1980 Divorce request other than as "1 child above 18 but still dependent on the parties for education."

26 posted on 02/21/2009 10:05:49 PM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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This may just be me, but BHO Jr and Sr don’t look one d*mn thing alike.


28 posted on 02/21/2009 10:21:21 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (This disaster brought to you by the failed Obama administration.)
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Another strong indicator of an adoption was Obama’s Indonesian schooling.

Indonesian state schools were restricted to citizens of Indonesia.

When he fist arrived in Jakarta, he attended the Roman Catholic, Franciscus Assisi Primary School (registration document above). The document lists Barry Soetoro as a Indonesian citizen, born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, and shows his Muslim step-father listed the boy's religion as Islam.

Despite the document identifying Barry as an "Indonesian citizen," he probably had not yet been adopted by Lolo, and was obligated to attend an expensive private school.

It was his transfer to the Besuki Primary School, a state school that is the best indicator that Barry was adopted by Lolo. As an Indonesian citizen, was then enrolled in the state school.

It is my understanding, that if Barry was adopted by Lolo, he became a citizen of Indonesia. He would then have had six months from the date of his 18th birthday to assert his American citizenship.

His 18th birthday would have been August 4th, 1979. He entered Occidental College the next month.

Now, if Obama’s Occidental College records show Barry Obama to have registered as an Indonesian, we got him by the shorts.

Obama’s high-powered team of Los Angeles attorneys, led by Fredric Woocher, “Southern California Super Lawyer, 2009,” was representing Obama in his effort to keep his Occidental College records concealed from the public. Woocher has suggested there should be “monetary sanctions” against lawyers who have brought complaints against Obama.

36 posted on 02/22/2009 2:07:59 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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How sad that a man travels 10,000 miles for a reunion with his classmates and only manages to see his son in an airport.


40 posted on 02/22/2009 5:39:46 AM PST by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson VIVA LA REVOLUTION!)
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I think that if we dig long enough and deep enough, “Barry Soetoro” (B.S.)will show up in a record somewhere else. It would be a bit unlikely that every single piece of info for BS has been found and thoroughly scrubbed.


41 posted on 02/22/2009 7:09:21 AM PST by Polarik ("A forgery created to prove a claim repudiates that claim")
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Jr was back in HI in 1970, as we know from the interview with Weatherly Williams, regarding the first meeting of Jr and Frank Marshall Davis. Whether he returned to Indonesia after writing the entrance exams for Punahou is unknown at this time. From what classmates have said Jr attended classes in Indonesia and didn’t return from one of the breaks the school had. I haven’t found it mentioned what break that might have been, but from the sounds of it, the break occurred during the school term so Jr was there before the break but not after the break. He began attending Punahou in 1971 in grade 5 and it has been written as though he began school at Punahou in September,1971.
Sr had graduated from UH in June, 1962 according to the newspaper interviews given the day he left HI, but I do believe he was double dipping while attending UH. He didn’t complain about the high cost of living in HI but did complain once he was at Harvard. One of the main reasons he gives for picking up with Ruth was that she had money so they could do things. If he had been double dipping and receiving money not only from Elizabeth Mooney Kirk as well as from the federal government as a student of the newly formed East West Center it would explain the lack of complaining while living in the most expensive state of Hawaii! Also as an incentive East West Center students not only had tuition, books, meals,and spending money for two years but also a two month tour of the mainland afterwards.(as per a Time article I linked recently) When Ann and Lolo got married it would have been easy for her to show her divorce papers to the court and simply say she couldn’t find Sr, then the reverse could be true for another name change once she left Lolo.


60 posted on 02/22/2009 11:47:24 AM PST by Chief Engineer
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