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What is a "Climatologist," precisely?
Patriot Room ^ | January 29, 2009 | Clyde Middleton

Posted on 01/29/2009 3:02:05 PM PST by clyde_m

I've read a lot about things claimed by "Climatologists" but never saw a "Climatologist" degree. Since a constant refrain of global warming enthusiasts is to dismiss proffered scientific evidence that refutes man-made global warming as "not being written by a Climatologists," I thought I should study and find out just one is.

Let me cut to the chase scene for you: It's a job title, not an educational path. Translation: You, too, can be a Climatologist! But act now, and if you call within the next 20 minutes, we'll double the ...

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1 posted on 01/29/2009 3:02:07 PM PST by clyde_m
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One could argue that Jimmy Buffet sitting on the beach sippin’ a marg’ is a climatologist.


2 posted on 01/29/2009 3:03:42 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: clyde_m

I control the temp in my house do I qualify?


3 posted on 01/29/2009 3:05:36 PM PST by arealconservativeforachange (There are too many Republicans in the Republican Party.)
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To: clyde_m

Climatologists are assistants to Crookologists. AKA Liberal politicians.


4 posted on 01/29/2009 3:05:52 PM PST by screaminsunshine (.)
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To: clyde_m

Climatologist rhymes with proctologist...sort of.


5 posted on 01/29/2009 3:07:02 PM PST by informavoracious
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To: clyde_m

They’re the guys who know how to tweak weather data into computer “models” to make the data say anything they want it to say.


6 posted on 01/29/2009 3:07:37 PM PST by LiberConservative
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To: clyde_m

You’re gonna’ like my nuts, n’ ya’ know we can’t do this all day ... you follown’ me, cameraguy ??


7 posted on 01/29/2009 3:07:57 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: clyde_m

Hint: It is someone who couldn’t handle four years of college to get a degree as a meteorologist.


8 posted on 01/29/2009 3:07:57 PM PST by Henchster (Free Republic - the BEST site on the web!)
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To: clyde_m

It’s a guy with a degree who wasn’t good looking or glib enough to get a job on TV doing the weather.


9 posted on 01/29/2009 3:09:05 PM PST by shibumi (By the Authority of Hung Mung, Patron of Chaos and Keeper of The Sacred Chao)
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To: clyde_m
Ahhhh....a "climb-a-tolo-jist"!

Here's one right here!!!!

Yes sir...that thar is the cheef, hed, "climb-a-tolo-jist" fer sher!

10 posted on 01/29/2009 3:11:17 PM PST by Logic n' Reason (Welcome, one and all, to the islamo-muslim states of obammica!)
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To: clyde_m

It’s like a scientologist except their religion is the climate.


11 posted on 01/29/2009 3:12:37 PM PST by mhx
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To: clyde_m

Took a course in “Climatology” in college. They used to call them “weathermen”, back in the day.


12 posted on 01/29/2009 3:19:00 PM PST by Nachum
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With all the bogus degrees handed out by universities these days, it shouldn’t be too long before a PHD in global-warming-ology is one of them. Given how long this bunk has been around, you’d think they’d have gotten there by now. The closest they’ve come is “Geotechnical and Geoenvironmental Engineering”? Really?


13 posted on 01/29/2009 3:21:07 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Nachum
Took a course in “Climatology” in college. They used to call them “weathermen”, back in the day.

I took a meteorology course (I think they called it Atmospheric Science), thinking it would be a blow off course about clouds.

Had me calculating the amount of solar energy striking a angled roof on a specific day of the year.

14 posted on 01/29/2009 3:27:27 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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I love it!

I’ve argued this point for quite a while, because I’ve yet to see one accomplishment from a climatologist.


15 posted on 01/29/2009 3:37:26 PM PST by Vanbasten
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To: Nachum
Took a course in “Climatology” in college. They used to call them “weathermen”, back in the day.

Ah, but Climatologists have stated that 'climate' isn't the same as 'weather', although weather *is* a part of climate, 'climate' is much much MUCH more broad based than mere 'weather' ... this in an effort to explain why there is a deep freeze in southern regions in complete contradiction to the Global Warming™ consensus .... and and and ... oh never mind .....

Otherwise I was consulted on the above, so that would make me a Consultant of Climatology ..... /grin

16 posted on 01/29/2009 3:38:22 PM PST by Mr_Moonlight
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To: Doe Eyes
In the old days before Global Warming™ such calculations were conducted by Physicists and Engineers with the intent to actually accomplish something tangible
17 posted on 01/29/2009 3:42:00 PM PST by Mr_Moonlight
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To: clyde_m

What is a “Climatologist,” precisely?

Currently, it’s somebody who believe that you and I are causing global warming....


18 posted on 01/29/2009 3:46:36 PM PST by bpjam (GOP is 3 - 0 in elections after Nov 4th. You Can Smell the Rally !!!)
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"Job description: A Climatologist collects climate data, investigates climate indicators and makes predictions regarding climate patterns. This individual uses computer models to study how Earth's climate changes with time. They use glacial ice cores..."

The graph above represents temperature and CO2 levels over the past 400,000 years. It is the same exact data Al Gore and the rest of the man-made global warmers refer to. The blue line is temps, the red, CO2 levels. The deep valleys represent 4 separate glaciation/ice-age periods. Look carefully at this historical relationship between temps and CO2 levels (the present is on the right hand side of the graph) and keep in mind that Gore claims this data is the 'proof' that CO2 has warmed the earth in the past. But does the data indeed show this? Nope. In fact, rising CO2 levels all throughout this 400,000-year period actually *followed* temperature increases -lagging behind by an average of 800 years! So it couldn't have been CO2 that got Earth out of these past glaciations. Yet Gore continually and dishonestly claims otherwise. Furthermore, the subsequent CO2 level increases due to dissolved CO2 being released from warming oceans, never did lead to additional warming, the so-called "run-away greenhouse effect" that Al Gore and his friends keep warning us about. In short, there is little if any evidence that CO2 had ever led to increased warming, at least not when the levels were within 10-15 times of what they are today. -etl

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THE ACQUITTAL OF CARBON DIOXIDE
by Jeffrey A. Glassman, PhD

ABSTRACT:

"Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere [historically] is the product of oceanic respiration due to the well-known but under-appreciated solubility pump. Carbon dioxide rises out of warm ocean waters where it is added to the atmosphere. There it is mixed with residual and accidental CO2, and circulated, to be absorbed into the sink of the cold ocean waters. Next the thermohaline circulation carries the CO2-rich sea water deep into the ocean. A millennium later it appears at the surface in warm waters, saturated by lower pressure and higher temperature, to be exhausted back into the atmosphere. Throughout the past 420 millennia, comprising four interglacial periods, the Vostok record of atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration is imprinted with, and fully characterized by, the physics of the solubility of CO2 in water, along with the lag in the deep ocean circulation.

Notwithstanding that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, atmospheric carbon dioxide has neither caused nor amplified global temperature increases. Increased carbon dioxide has been an effect of global warming, not a cause. Technically, carbon dioxide is a lagging proxy for ocean temperatures. When global temperature, and along with it, ocean temperature rises, the physics of solubility causes atmospheric CO2 to increase.

If increases in carbon dioxide, or any other greenhouse gas, could have in turn raised global temperatures, the positive feedback would have been catastrophic. While the conditions for such a catastrophe were present in the Vostok record from natural causes, the runaway event did not occur. Carbon dioxide does not accumulate in the atmosphere."

http://www.rocketscientistsjournal.com/2006/10/co2_acquittal.html

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"The above chart shows the range of global temperature through the last 500 million years. There is no statistical correlation between the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere through the last 500 million years and the temperature record in this interval. In fact, one of the highest levels of carbon dioxide concentration occurred during a major ice age that occurred about 450 million years ago [Myr]. Carbon dioxide concentrations at that time were about 15 times higher than at present." [also see 180 million years ago, same thing happened]:
http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=010405M

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So, greenhouse [effect] is all about carbon dioxide, right?

Wrong. The most important players on the greenhouse stage are water vapor and clouds [clouds of course aren't gas, but high level ones do act to trap heat from escaping, while low-lying cumulus clouds tend to reflect sunlight and thereby help cool the planet -etl]. Carbon dioxide has been increased to about 0.038% of the atmosphere (possibly from about 0.028% pre-Industrial Revolution) while water in its various forms ranges from 0% to 4% of the atmosphere and its properties vary by what form it is in and even at what altitude it is found in the atmosphere.

In simple terms the bulk of Earth's greenhouse effect is due to water vapor by virtue of its abundance. Water accounts for about 90% of the Earth's greenhouse effect -- perhaps 70% is due to water vapor and about 20% due to clouds (mostly water droplets), some estimates put water as high as 95% of Earth's total tropospheric greenhouse effect (e.g., Freidenreich and Ramaswamy, 'Solar Radiation Absorption by Carbon Dioxide, Overlap with Water, and a Parameterization for General Circulation Models,' Journal of Geophysical Research 98 (1993):7255-7264).

The remaining portion comes from carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide, methane, ozone and miscellaneous other 'minor greenhouse gases.' As an example of the relative importance of water it should be noted that changes in the relative humidity on the order of 1.3-4% are equivalent to the effect of doubling CO2.

http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/

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Water Vapor Rules the Greenhouse System

Water vapor constitutes Earth's most significant greenhouse gas, accounting for about 95% of Earth's greenhouse effect (4). Interestingly, many 'facts and figures' regarding global warming completely ignore the powerful effects of water vapor in the greenhouse system, carelessly (perhaps, deliberately) overstating human impacts as much as 20-fold.

Water vapor is 99.999% of natural origin. Other atmospheric greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), nitrous oxide (N2O), and miscellaneous other gases (CFC's, etc.), are also mostly of natural origin (except for the latter, which is mostly anthropogenic).

Human activities contribute slightly to greenhouse gas concentrations through farming, manufacturing, power generation, and transportation. However, these emissions are so dwarfed in comparison to emissions from natural sources we can do nothing about, that even the most costly efforts to limit human emissions would have a very small-- perhaps undetectable-- effect on global climate.

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

19 posted on 01/29/2009 4:21:40 PM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: Tublecane
“Geotechnical and Geoenvironmental Engineering”?

Whoa! Geotechnical Engineering is a perfectly legitimate branch of civil engineering, dealing with soils. Very important in construction. I'm not so sure offhand about Geoenvironmental Engineering, but it probably involves things like cleanup of polluted soil and ground water.

20 posted on 01/29/2009 4:28:09 PM PST by hellbender
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