Posted on 01/06/2009 11:52:38 AM PST by Kevmo
1. I am Sandra Ramsey Lines, With an adddres at... I am a former federal examiner and law enforcement officer. I began training as a forensic document examiner in 1991. I am a Certified Diplomat of Forensic Sciences, a member of the American Society of Questioned Document Examiners, a member of the Southwestern Association of Forensic Document Examiners, and a member of the Questioned Document Subcommittee of the American Society of Testing and Materials. My background and credentials are set forth in Exhibit I attached hereto.
2. I have reviewed the attached affidavit posted on the internet from “Ron Polarik,” [PDF] who has declined to provide his name because of a number of death threats he has received. After my review and based on my years of experience, I can state with certainty that the COLB presented on the internet by the various groups, which include the “Daily Kos,” the Obama Campaign, “Factcheck.org” and others cannot be relied upon as genuine. Mr. Polarik raises issues concerning the COLB that I can affirm. Software such as Adobe Photoshop can produce complete images or alter images that appear to be genuine; therefore, any image offered on the internet cannot be relied upon as being a copy of the authentic document.
3. Upon a cursory inspection of the internet COLB, one aspect of the image that is clearly questionable is the obliteration of the Certificate No. That number is a tracking number that would allow anyone to ask the question, “Does this number refer to the Certification of Live Birth for the child Barack Hussein Obama II?” It would not reveal any further personal information; therefore, there would be no justifiable reason for oliterating it.
4. In my experience as a forensic document examiner, if an original of any document exists, that is the document that must be examined to obtain a definitive finding of genuineness or non-genuineness. In this case, examination of the vault birth certificate for President-Elect Obama would lay this issue to rest once and for all.
SANDRA RAMSEY LINES Forensic Document Examiner ........ Paradise Valley, Arizona 85253
SRLines@cox.net
Former Federal Examiner Retired Law Enforcement Officer
* Identification of handwriting, hand printing, signatures, typewriting, photocopying, and printing processes
* Examination of paper, inks, stamps, seals, and other documentary evidence to determine identity, source, authenticity, and possible date
* Forensic analysis of business and medical records to determine whether there are alterations, additions, deletions, erasures, substitutions, and/or if the records were manufactured in a normal course-of-business manner
* Distinguishing forgery from genuineness
* Restoration or decipherment of erased, obliterated or hidden writing
* Expert testimony in state and federal courts, and regulatory hearings
Certified Diplomate, American Board of Forensic Document Examiners Fellow, American Academy of Forensic Sciences Member, American Society of Questioned Document Examiners Member, Southwestern Association of Forensic Document Examiners Member, American Society of Testing and Materials, Forensic Sciences Committee, and Questioned Document Subcommittee
Or rather, all three.
Read comment 274 and if you don’t agree, please provide a rebuttal that includes something other than fact free “I think” statements. IOW, documents, links, sources, facts.
“You have a feeling”, that sums up every liberal’s approach to life. You’re way outta your league in this discussion pal.
L.J., we’re dealing with a troll from the Bronx, nothing more and nothing less.
My vote is for #3.
I am going to go for a walk and leave him and his innane meaningless repetitions for a while!
Plus I was wrong about comment 274, it wasn’t really relevant as far as I could tell... but my brain is benumbed at this point (even more than usual).
Fact One (per the order you have brought them up in postings) -- that Obama's spending a lot of money to not produce something that is ordinary and essentially free of expense to produce. Something most every citizen has to produce many times in his life.
Fact Two (introduced in your last post) -- it is either self-evident or common knowledge that most people would not present themselves for a public and famous position for which the requirement is clear and unambiguous and yet they do not meet it. I accept that as a Fact Two as a fact too.
That is, I accept the following restatement of "Fact Two": that being that it it a reasonable presumption that a normal candidate for President will have reason to believe he/she is eligible under the natural born requirement.
And, I only accept that the restatement of Fact Two is fact of probability, not of certainty. There are a number of facts that challenge it -- one is that other candidates for President in this election were naturalized and NOT native born. Róger Calero was on a number of state ballots (Socialist Workers Party), and he is a resident alien -- not even a citizen!
Another fact that challenges the probalistic Fact Two is an ancient one: hubris, greed for power. Politicians are notorious for their sense of entitlement and ego. That's a fact too. And it suggests that the sense of propriety most normal citizens have in regard to vetting themselves for a duty, for the requirements of an office firstly by themselves which is a civic duty of the honest, is found to be a lessened sense among the political class.
When Reagan said: "Trust but verify" -- he was speaking a political truth, an axiom of far stronger value applied in political context than everyday life. In everyday life Reagan's adice is helpful -- but in politics and statecraft it is a necessity.
A third fact that challenges Fact Two is actually a whole file folder of facts -- an empty file folder, in a way. It;s that file folder which holds all the "open" records of Obama's history. Its emptiness testifies that Obama is hiding something, and something more than a simple one-shot embarrassment on his CoLB.
Therefore I'd ask you to re-evaluate the conclusion you drew from Fact One and Fact Two.
MHG, I’m too lazy to look it up to see if this particular troll has been told that CoLBs from Hawaii can be filled out for folks who were born out of this country. If he’s been told, it’s obvious he’s a troll. If he hasn’t been told, he’s either just as lazy as me to look it up or he’s a “Feed me” troll, where the information does not apply unless it’s directly spoonfed to him (Usually multiple times), thereby causing normal humans to spontaneously combust in frustration — which is the typical troll’s strategy.
Although I grant it is possible, the notion that Obama would run for president knowing he was not born in the U.S. strains credulity. He is an attorney.
***These two sentences have a tendency to counteract eachother.
Please put me on your troll list. Thanks.
***I suppose that’s up to you, lj. Whaddaya think? I recall an exchange between Palmer and Polarik where Palmer got his rear end kicked. But I haven’t seen much of him lately...
More insults....when all I yearn for is facts...
***And yet, when the facts get posted to you, you seem to jump right over them in your haste to jump to invalid conclusions. What is really going on here is simple, classic, troll behavior.
They will kill it in the end...watch.
***You got a crystal ball in your pocket, sparky? The Lightfoot case was Distributed for Conference today by Roberts. That makes #5, so the odds of 5 forwards for conference is (1/200)^5, which is a 1 in 320Billion chance.
I suspect they find it entertaining.
***I suspect you’re a troll, doing your darndest to dismay constitutionalists on a constitutionalist website over the most egregious constitutional crisis since Watergate.
Also, I see nothing more than standard SCOTUS here-no indication of anything. Don’t you think if they were really going to do something, they would have done it in December or even sooner...four days before the inauguration? Come on.
***You haven’t been keeping up with the reading. There was an article about how Berg would have standing against Obama once a quantifiable damage has been done and that means he’s pres-elect. Also, the 20th amendment, which you so proudly love to overlook as a troll.
There are many trolls I guess...anyone who disagrees with you perhaps? We shall see how this pans out.
***Feel free to find the definition of Troll on Free REpublic and see if it applies to you. There are many who disagree with me but very few who get the designation of troll.
In other words, 1961 was a baby bust rather than a banner year. Also, I now recognize that August and September had always been banner months for births, so the fact that August 1961 was the worst month ever in the past eleven years means that 10,640 is way too high and too late.
If 9,942 were the number of registered births as of July 31, then for there to have been 10,640 registered births as of August 8, the DATE OF REGISTRATION, then 698 births would have had to be registered in eight days, or about 87 registered births per day. In other words, no way.
As I said in my previous post, for that cert number to be accurate, Obama's BIRTH RECORD would have had to be recorded and registered much LATER, NOT EARLIER. Does this make it clearer?
Of course, we are assuming that there is a one-to-one correspondence between the number of cumulative births registered and the Certificate Number issued. Even if it were not, I cannot see how one could derive 10,640 as a number unless cert numbers began in the 600's. But, I agree with you that it's moot, as when you said, "this general objection relates to ANY discrepancy between the COLB’s substantive contents and what’s on the long form." To it, I would also add that there would also be discrepancies between what a real COLB would look like and the bogus COLB, too.
We can still allow for the Certificate Number to be the correct birth registration number for Obama, now that I've established that the COLB is bogus. Meaning, that one or more pieces of data are falsely stated in it. The cert number can be correct, but the other birth info not correct.
When I get my hands on the Cert. Number for Mar 22, 2007, I'll have a better idea of the correspondence between registered births and date registered.
On the other hand, I have no doubt that, on one of his many trips to Hawaii, Obama asked for, and received, reassurances from Fukino and Onaka that his original birth certificate was sealed, and that the Certificate Number did identify his record, but that it could not be used to access his birth record any more than than any other part of the record could be used as a search term. Whatever Obama did to get those assurances apparently worked.
If there were any dangers in knowing his number before, there were none now, and Factcheck was thus free to use his actual birth record number. The information on that birth records still does not match what was on the forgeries. So, at this stage, we do not need to know whether 10640 is the actual cert number, as it no longer makes a difference.
This is why I did not want Kevmo to publish an old comment of mine because as more information is made known to us, there may be changes made to my previous assumptions -- but none to the central one of the COLB being bogus.
You might get suspended if you continue to harass me...mine is a valid point shared by many on this site.
***I started this thread. Your point is not valid because it is wrong, shown simply by my little $12 example; in addition, you appeal to the gallery, another classic fallacy. Take a critical thinking class. Answering your invalid points generates a threat of “you might get suspended” when you post on a thread that I started. That’s a new one. I wonder if it’ll work, I could use that in the future.
The further sound of crickets... who’d a thunk it?
No volunteers. ;-) Unless they act up afterwards.
LOL! That’s a good one!
“Although I grant it is possible, the notion that Obama would run for president knowing he was not born in the U.S. strains credulity. He is an attorney.”
Ha Ha Ha! Yes, we all know how saintly, virtuous and devoted to Constitutional principles all attorneys are! I am literally LOL!
How anyone can actually think that does indeed strain credulity.
Although I grant it is possible, the notion that Obama would run for president knowing he was not born in the U.S. strains credulity. He is an attorney. Were he born elsewhere, he would realize that were he found out, it would ruin him for life.
The man and his handlers have spent years and a lot of money burying ALL documentation from his adult life. The few scraps they've been unable to hide show a disturbing pattern, like his perjury on his application to the Illinois Bar Association. Yeah, he's an attorney, but he thinks it is nothing to swear to a false application!
That is why I have had doubts about the born-in-Kenya concept from the get-go.
Excuse me, the fact that this man has sworn to a false application to the Bar Association, posted a fraudulent document as his proof of eligibility, posted an altered selective service card, spent a lot of money hiding all documentation of his adult life, and even challenged the SCOTUS to question him by admitting on his website that he was borna British subject through his father ... that doesn't register with your credulity filters?
That said, the fact remains that he has spent millions of dollars fighting to keep the original cert secret. It likewise strains credulity that he would do this were there nothing on the cert to hide.
What the money spent to prevent any lawsuit from going to the discovery phase, and his refusal to show the vault copy indicate is a man who has used fraud to collect hundreds of millions in campaign funds. If he allows his fraudulent documents to be examined in discovery phase, he will be chargeable for criminal behavior!
It is time to stop giving this affirmative action fraud the benefit of the doubt. He's a crook, plain and simple. He is trying to play out this greatest scam in the history of this nation until it is the responsibility of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid to impeach and remove him. Why? Because he knows the criminal enterprise democrat party and their fifth column enemy of We The People worship this wicked criminal, and would not remove him when they admire his criminal behavior and his getting away with it through axelrod astroturfing deceit!
Here's a clue to future behavior: if and when a bit more heat gets focused upon this wicked liar scamming the world, his axelrod minions will rush to the media venues to at first hint that violence will erupt if he is denied what he lusts for. The, if the heat grows and appears to threaten his ascendancy, actual threats will start to appear.
These are evil, wicked people, the Democrats, who have used the slaughter of millions of children over the past three decades to empower their party. Nothing is off limits with these bastard criminals. And this wicked president-elect went even further, to work to protect infanticide just in case it might erode Roe v Wade if infanticide (induced labor abortions) in Southside Chicago abortion clinics was stopped by Illinois law.
Meant to ping you since I intended originally to post this to you based upon your post.
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