Posted on 01/06/2009 11:52:38 AM PST by Kevmo
1. I am Sandra Ramsey Lines, With an adddres at... I am a former federal examiner and law enforcement officer. I began training as a forensic document examiner in 1991. I am a Certified Diplomat of Forensic Sciences, a member of the American Society of Questioned Document Examiners, a member of the Southwestern Association of Forensic Document Examiners, and a member of the Questioned Document Subcommittee of the American Society of Testing and Materials. My background and credentials are set forth in Exhibit I attached hereto.
2. I have reviewed the attached affidavit posted on the internet from “Ron Polarik,” [PDF] who has declined to provide his name because of a number of death threats he has received. After my review and based on my years of experience, I can state with certainty that the COLB presented on the internet by the various groups, which include the “Daily Kos,” the Obama Campaign, “Factcheck.org” and others cannot be relied upon as genuine. Mr. Polarik raises issues concerning the COLB that I can affirm. Software such as Adobe Photoshop can produce complete images or alter images that appear to be genuine; therefore, any image offered on the internet cannot be relied upon as being a copy of the authentic document.
3. Upon a cursory inspection of the internet COLB, one aspect of the image that is clearly questionable is the obliteration of the Certificate No. That number is a tracking number that would allow anyone to ask the question, “Does this number refer to the Certification of Live Birth for the child Barack Hussein Obama II?” It would not reveal any further personal information; therefore, there would be no justifiable reason for oliterating it.
4. In my experience as a forensic document examiner, if an original of any document exists, that is the document that must be examined to obtain a definitive finding of genuineness or non-genuineness. In this case, examination of the vault birth certificate for President-Elect Obama would lay this issue to rest once and for all.
SANDRA RAMSEY LINES Forensic Document Examiner ........ Paradise Valley, Arizona 85253
SRLines@cox.net
Former Federal Examiner Retired Law Enforcement Officer
* Identification of handwriting, hand printing, signatures, typewriting, photocopying, and printing processes
* Examination of paper, inks, stamps, seals, and other documentary evidence to determine identity, source, authenticity, and possible date
* Forensic analysis of business and medical records to determine whether there are alterations, additions, deletions, erasures, substitutions, and/or if the records were manufactured in a normal course-of-business manner
* Distinguishing forgery from genuineness
* Restoration or decipherment of erased, obliterated or hidden writing
* Expert testimony in state and federal courts, and regulatory hearings
Certified Diplomate, American Board of Forensic Document Examiners Fellow, American Academy of Forensic Sciences Member, American Society of Questioned Document Examiners Member, Southwestern Association of Forensic Document Examiners Member, American Society of Testing and Materials, Forensic Sciences Committee, and Questioned Document Subcommittee
Exactly what details does a Birth certificate verify other than being born in the state?
There is a posted copy. This is what you get when requesting a BC...you think they will send the so called vault copy? Come on.
“Really, the lie is all over the web then in every newspaper pretty much.”
Yeah, and you’re perpetuating it. They verified a certificate exists. That’s it. Apparently out of privacy concerns, they cannot give out any details. So, why do you keep saying over and over they have?
Obama showed us a forged certificaTION in the form of an image on websites. That’s not a birth certificate, even if, in your unsubstantiated opinion, you think it’s somehow real.
Is this really all that complicated?
Perhaps, I confused this with D’onfrio...his case addresses natural born. However, the state of Hawaii has verified the existence of a birth certificate...I suppose my New York certificate could say I was born on the moon...or maybe just in New York.
Pretty good but not great contumely.
I applaud the efforts of the "birthers" and "cerifitruthers".
I remember. I am grateful for fellow citizens' reasonable efforts.
Americans suffered ridicule for rejecting the government and MSM employees' version of Ruby Ridge and Waco. It took years but Congress finally! held real hearings and much truth about both Ruby Ridge and Waco was presented to the American people.
"Garbage" from both sides was exposed and, as I said, much of the truth was made available to citizens of the United States of America. Subsequent studies have revealed more -- we are a better people for it even if the government's version had turned out to be the correct one. IMO.
IMO, Mr. Obama should just release the full birth certificate, he is not going to be denied no matter what.
All we are saying is
Give release a chance
100% correct.
That's why the people sputtering on how "Obama has hired thousands of lawyers and spent millions of dollars keeping his vault BC locked away. . ." don't have a clue of what they're talking about.
Give me a break...the woman is 86. Do you think she might be talking about his Dad? I’m sure an American woman living in Hawaii got pregnant when she was almost ready to deliver, she hopped a plane to Kenya so she could deliver in a grass hut with Grandma in attendance. You really have to want this to be true...to believe this. I prefer to consider running a good candidate in 2012.
There will never be enough proof...they should make litigants pay court cost. This would put an end to this foolishness.
I think maybe you’re unaware of how hawaii does things.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/11/why_the_barack_obama_birth_cer.html
” Under Hawaiian law, it is possible (both legally and illegally) for a person to have been born out of state, yet have a birth certificate on file in the Department of Health.”
I see no reason to believe this posted birth certificate is fake...I have seen no convincing evidence-just people who want it to be true.
Of course, it doesn't say that. Obama's BC says he was born in Honolulu.
Don't feel bad. These crackpot conspiracy theories are spinning so much garbage it's hard to keep track of which one is which.
“That’s why the people sputtering on how “Obama has hired thousands of lawyers and spent millions of dollars keeping his vault BC locked away. . .” don’t have a clue of what they’re talking about. “
Completely missing the point. It costs ~$12 to get a copy of the birth certifiCATE. Hiring one lawyer for one hour is an order of magnitude more expensive, and makes no sense...
So what... You can’t even get simple issues straight. Did you read over Polariks’ analysis? Find something wrong about it?
100% correct.
That's why the people sputtering on how "Obama has hired thousands of lawyers and spent millions of dollars keeping his vault BC locked away. . ." don't have a clue of what they're talking about.
Speaking of not having a clue..... No-one has ever requested the state of Hawaii provide the original document. A certified vault long form copy is all that's being requested. The state will provide the existing requested copy for a minimal fee. This is just another attempt at confusing the issue, why?
You must be referring to the copy provided on the internet. There is compelling evidence that copy is a forgery. Obama has failed to provide the document Hawaii has on file to prove his internet copy is legit. Until he does so I'm assuming the BC he provided is a fraud.
His "analysis" is as bogus as his name and PhD and has been debunked for a while now.
No there's not.
Actually, it hasn’t. And, the beginning of this thread has affidavits. What do you have in the way of substantiation? Or are you just parroting someone else?
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