Posted on 01/06/2009 11:52:38 AM PST by Kevmo
1. I am Sandra Ramsey Lines, With an adddres at... I am a former federal examiner and law enforcement officer. I began training as a forensic document examiner in 1991. I am a Certified Diplomat of Forensic Sciences, a member of the American Society of Questioned Document Examiners, a member of the Southwestern Association of Forensic Document Examiners, and a member of the Questioned Document Subcommittee of the American Society of Testing and Materials. My background and credentials are set forth in Exhibit I attached hereto.
2. I have reviewed the attached affidavit posted on the internet from “Ron Polarik,” [PDF] who has declined to provide his name because of a number of death threats he has received. After my review and based on my years of experience, I can state with certainty that the COLB presented on the internet by the various groups, which include the “Daily Kos,” the Obama Campaign, “Factcheck.org” and others cannot be relied upon as genuine. Mr. Polarik raises issues concerning the COLB that I can affirm. Software such as Adobe Photoshop can produce complete images or alter images that appear to be genuine; therefore, any image offered on the internet cannot be relied upon as being a copy of the authentic document.
3. Upon a cursory inspection of the internet COLB, one aspect of the image that is clearly questionable is the obliteration of the Certificate No. That number is a tracking number that would allow anyone to ask the question, “Does this number refer to the Certification of Live Birth for the child Barack Hussein Obama II?” It would not reveal any further personal information; therefore, there would be no justifiable reason for oliterating it.
4. In my experience as a forensic document examiner, if an original of any document exists, that is the document that must be examined to obtain a definitive finding of genuineness or non-genuineness. In this case, examination of the vault birth certificate for President-Elect Obama would lay this issue to rest once and for all.
SANDRA RAMSEY LINES Forensic Document Examiner ........ Paradise Valley, Arizona 85253
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Former Federal Examiner Retired Law Enforcement Officer
* Identification of handwriting, hand printing, signatures, typewriting, photocopying, and printing processes
* Examination of paper, inks, stamps, seals, and other documentary evidence to determine identity, source, authenticity, and possible date
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Thanks for the correction.
Excellent point.
I have no agenda...she did so say this. I have copied it several times...she said she didn’t know about the posted one which is a legalistic argument. How could she...although why one would post a fake when there is a real one makes no sense. She verified Obama was born in Hawaii...it’s good enough for me. I don’t buy into the natural born theory...his Dad was a British citizen etc. I’m not pleased with the situation, but change can only come in 2012 at the ballot box.
You hit a sore spot...for sure. This reminds me of the time my preacher happened upon my wife in the grocery store. She had two bottles of wine and some beer in her cart...the next Sunday he preached about the evils of alcohol and why Christians should not drink...Pastor Johnny Hunt! Great guy.
Translation: "I haven't bothered to look at what's out there and inform myself."
Hit google and you will see multiple stories...Hawaii verified the certificate. By the by, D’nofrio has stated Obama is a citizen, but not a natural born citizen based on his father.
The state health director said yesterday she has personally seen and verified Sen. Barack Obama’s original birth certificate in an effort to address numerous requests for the document.
Obama, who is running against Sen. John McCain for president, posted on his Web site the birth certificate showing Honolulu as his birthplace.
State law prohibits the release of a birth certificate except to a person seeking his or her own certificate and the person’s spouse, parent and legal guardian.
But health officials have been receiving numerous e-mail and phone requests for the document, according to Janice Okubo, Heath Department spokeswoman.
Health Director Chiyome Fukino said she and the vital statistics registrar viewed and verified Obama’s birth certificate.
“No state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawaii,” Fukino said.
Critics have questioned whether Obama is a U.S. citizen and have filed lawsuits around the country challenging it. Those suits have been dismissed, including one in Ohio yesterday.
You have to admit that that in itself is not proof that 0bama was not born in the U.S.A.. It is only proof that Ronald Reagan was proud that he was born in the U.S.A..
And it provides real contrast to 0bama's words and actions which show that he is definitely NOT proud of being born here ... if he was.
Excuse me...they have his birth certificate...what more do you want? Lingle ordered it sealed after verification...good enough for me. I do not believe the whole state of Hawaii is on some conspiracy as are all the pols in Congress who ignore this whole matter. Watch the insults...another poster was being trashed by someone on one of these threads. The admin moderator stepped in unasked from what I know and issued a warning.
The state of Hawaii has verified the BC...D’onofrio admits he is a citizen just had a British Daddy...Governor Lingle sealed it stop the numerous annoying phone calls from people who can not accept the truth. No GOP has touched this. There is every indication that SCOTUS will kill all lawsuits within there power...not lying you just refuse to accept the truth.
You can google...there are many links concerning this...bottom line Hawaii verified birth certificate and then sealed it to prevent more chaos-constant annoying phone calls etc.
What, exactly, did they verify? Anything about the details on the certificate? If so, what were they?
They verified he was born in Hawaii...consider this. You all will not accept a copy of the BC...well guess what. When we request our birth certificates, we get a copy. I have lost probably six birth certificates in my various moves and one flood...If you think the state of Hawaii will hand over the original document as you call it, forget about it. They would never hand over such a document. It belongs to Hawaii not Obama; he could not release such a document if he wanted to...they merely copy it for a fee. There is absolutely no reason to believe Obama was born anywhere but Hawaii...thus we are left with natural born theory-total bunk and will never become law.Personally, I don’t think the country would be served well or the constitution upheld if such a law came into existence. Jindal would be excluded by such idiocy in 2012.
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That is not true. She only verified that he had a BC on file. That BC could say he was born in Kenya.
Another false statement you have been posting recently is that the Berg case concedes that Obama was born in Hawaii. That is not even close to being correct.
Why do you keep posting false information?
Oh? That's not an honest statement!
Really, the lie is all over the web then in every newspaper pretty much..what she said was she didn’t handle it differently than other birth certificates not that it was not sealed...only family member have access basically. It is customary to ping someone when discussing them...by the way. I post on these threads because they are interesting...still waiting for compelling evidence of any of this...ED where are you?
It is completely honest and true...there is no evidence. You want it to be true so the known facts are twisted to suit your beliefs.
Once again absolute nonsense, you are tying to confuse the issue. Why? The document being requested by numerous lawsuits is a certified vault long form copy of the BC. Hawaii has verified such a document exists. Any one can get a copy of their such document from Hawaii. The document could show a Hawaiian birth but it also could show a Kenyan birth.
Obama has refused to provide this long form document, that is a fact. Until he does it is possible that he was born in Kenya. Doesn't it bother you that Obama has failed to cough up this document?
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