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To: GladesGuru

“Evos= commies”
Pardon me, it is called athiestic communism. Athiestic communism slams shut the door on God.

Further, explain symbiosis. There is a little white bird whose only food is the funk in crocodile teeth. The crocs rest with their jaws open and the birds act as dental hygenists. Croc does not eat the bird. If the bird does not clean crocs teeth, croc dies of nasty infection. Croc funk is the birds sole food. What are the odds that this bird and the croc who are so dependent upon one another evolved at the same exact moment in time? There are insects that only pollinate specific plants. What are the odds of specific insects evolving at the same exact time as specific flowers? The earth is jam packed full of tight symbiotic relationships. Coincidences in zillions of evolutionary paths are bad math.


72 posted on 01/04/2009 7:50:13 AM PST by SisterK (pop culture is the opiate of the people)
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To: SisterK
Further, explain symbiosis. There is a little white bird whose only food is the funk in crocodile teeth.

There are approximately 200 varieties of bacteria in your body, without which you could not live. Interesting stuff.

74 posted on 01/04/2009 8:09:43 AM PST by js1138
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To: SisterK
What are the odds of specific insects evolving at the same exact time as specific flowers?

That's amazing, but not as amazing as the fact that your legs are exactly long enough to reach the ground.

75 posted on 01/04/2009 8:11:10 AM PST by js1138
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To: SisterK
"Coincidences in zillions of evolutionary paths are bad math."

But of course we are talking about hundreds of millions of years of evolution, with small changes possible in every generation.

The long term process by which insects and flowers adapt themselves to each other, or birds to crocodiles, seems to me extraordinarily simple to visualize & explain. Those that adapted survived, those which didn't adapt died off.

77 posted on 01/04/2009 8:14:41 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: SisterK
Good post, SisterK.

Now let's take the example of symbiosis you've provided, and see how it works when dealing with more than two animal and plant species. The unique relationship between ants, grass, grazing animals and the liverfluke is a perfect case in point.

155 posted on 01/04/2009 10:35:28 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: SisterK
What are the odds that this bird and the croc who are so dependent upon one another evolved at the same exact moment in time?

Can you provide a source that the birds only eat Croc dental goo?

In any event, this is a symbiotic relationship that probably evolved over thousands of generations. If you are correct this bird currently only eats out of the croc's mouth, this probably just started as some members of this bird species eating this way (while also eating other food), and some crocs letting them. Over time, the symbiotic relationship developed.

182 posted on 01/04/2009 11:52:35 AM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: SisterK

Regarding your post #72, I should like to suggest that perhaps we differ in how we conceptualize time. In my experience, the greatest problem people have with evolution is the yardstick, calibrated in units of 1,000,000 years.

For a creature some 70 years in length, and part of a planet with an annual cycle of birth and death, it is not evolution, but the yardstick which is teh problem.

May I suggest reading African Genesis, by Robert Ardrey, specifically the part in the chapter titled “Time Was” where he invites the reader to imagine being on a coastal cliff near Santa Barbara. Ardrey then walks the reader, one horizon at a time, down the history of life on earth, down south to the Antarctic shore.

I should add this book, footnoted, non-fiction was on the New York Time’s Best Seller list for many a month. Not bad for footnoted non-fiction. If nothing else, you will find his writing style used hard data in a delightful way.

While Ardrey’s book will give you increased predictive capability regarding human behavior, it likely will leave you agreeing with Will & Arial Durant that while man can live a moral & ethical life without religion, for nearly all men, religion actualizes that moral & ethical life with far more reliability than with any other belief system.


334 posted on 01/04/2009 9:05:50 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles, When you walk around wi)
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