Posted on 12/19/2008 9:48:45 PM PST by Red Steel
Motion for Subpoenes for Obama BC issued in WA state, case to be heard by the full court. BO announces vacation in HI
COMES NOW, James E. Broe, Kenneth R. Seal, Robert Baker, Mark Sussman, Stan Walter, Bill Wise, Andy Stevens, Ed Crawford, Jason Lagen, Louise Workman, Jocelyn Murcelli, Mike Murcelli and Kevin McDowell, by and through counsel of record Stephen Pidgeon, pursuant to RAP 17.3(a), the Rules of Discovery, CR 26-37, and CR 45 governing the issuance of subpoenas, and Move this Honorable Court for an order allowing the issuance of two subpoenas for the purpose of obtaining admissible evidence in this case, and expediting discovery pursuant to the proposed schedule.
Relief Requested
Plaintiffs seek an Order allowing plaintiffs expedited discovery by means of two subpoenas, one to be served on the Secretary of State of the State of Washington, to discover the following items: I) the Declaration of Candidacy of Barack Obama as filed in the State of Washington; 2) all records concerning the candidacy and disallowance of Socialist Worker’s Party candidate Frank Colero within the Secretary of State’s office; and one to be served upon the Director of the Department of Health in the State of Hawaii, to discover the following items: 3) the Birth Certificate of Barack Obama in Hawaii, and 4) all supporting documentation regarding the registration of the birth of Barack Obama in Hawaii. Plaintiffs seek an order which establishes the following schedule.
1. Plaintiffs are to serve the State of Hawaii Department of Health with a Subpoena in the form attached hereto as approved by the Court no later than the close of business on Monday, December 22, 2008, and responses shall be served upon Plaintiffs’ ‘counsel. no later than the close of business on December 28, 2008.
I am betting the Governor has not only the tightest security around this document she may even have plans in store in case it was stolen.
There was some silly talk around here in Wasilla that Lingle sent a copy of the original BC to Sarah and she had it at her church, and I tell anyone here that is a really wild rumor by tinhatters trying to shift blame about the church fire. But I don know the security that was here for Sarah is most definitely still here.
Pravda, English edition, states they challenge anyone to find a record of Madelyn Durham being hospitalized or her death certificate.
What’s up with this? This true?
Found here:
“Letter from a reader, sample complaint to the Illinois bar against Obama”
http://drorly.blogspot.com/2008/12/letter-from-reader-sample-complaint-to.html
And also here in comments section:
http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=2066
“Downloadable sample complaint to the Illinois bar against Obama”
http://www.4shared.com/file/76849580/92269d92/ATTORNEY_GRIEVANCE_COMPLAINT_AGAINST_BARACK_OBAMA.html
I agree it is his responsibility. He has never known that word though. WND had a private investigator do some research. Here is the link.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83851
jrh Says:
With regard to the post about forging the original long form — it’s probable that the archive is on microfiche and would be in reels of sequential documents recorded as they occurred. That would be a more formidable forgery task.
Though it would seem more likely that if he was born in Hawaii, the info would be sent to the newspapers without that kind of delay.
I personally believe that Obama's original Kenyan birth certificate is sitting in a sealed envelope locked away in the Vital Records vault. The statement made by Fukino and Onaka did not say that they actualy "saw" the paper birth certificate or even if they saw a microfiche of it.
They only said that they had personally "seen and verified that Hawaii has it on record." Now, had they actually looked at the document itself, then they would have said that they had "personally seen and verified Obama's original Birth Certificate," but that is not at all what they said. All they said was that they saw to it that the Health Department had it on record," which leads me to conclude again, that they saw nothing tangible on which they could actually put their fingers.
Now, they also could have been looking at microfiche instead of looking at a sealed envelope that had an official label on it saying, "Obama's original birth certificate," but, again I'm opting for the sealed envelope scenario.
The way that they would have handled Obama's out-of-state, late birth registration would have been for Stanley Dunham to hand over to Hawaii Obama's Kenyan Birth Certificate, which was then deposited in an enveloped and sealed, after which they issued her a Hawaiian Certificate of Birth which has the same info as on the Kenyan birth certificate.
There can be only one, original birth certificate, so the document that Hawaii issued to Stanley is NOT the original birth certificate on record -- the Kenyan one is, however.
http://decalogosintl.org/documents/sos/Response_to_Discovery_Motion.pdf (pg 8 of 9)
Title 19. Health
~ Chapter 338. Vital Statistics
~~ Part I. State Public Health Statistics Act
~~~ § 338-18. Disclosure of records ...
(g) The department shall not issue a verification in lieu of a certified copy of any such record, or any part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant requesting a verification is: ...
(4): “A private or government attorney who seeks to confirm information about a vital event relating to any such records which was acquired during the course of or for purposes of legal proceedings”
In theory, if an attorney has been responded to with a copy of the "CertificATION of Live Birth" from Camp Obama, it should give that attorney justification to request "verification in lieu of a certified copy."
In fact, if Obama had proof of residency that Stanley & Obama Sr. had been living in Hawaii for a year prior to his birth, then he, himself, could obtain an amended Certification of Live Birth.
I spoke to Steve Pidgeon on the phone on Friday and he said the hearing date for the motion for discovery subpoenas will be Jun 8, the same as the hearing date to decide if they take the case. He was saying that he may request that the en banc hearing date be moved back so that the discovery motion can be heard first and they have time to issue the subpoenas.
Sooo....Obama has visited Hawaii once a month for the last four months....and yet wasn’t around for his white grandmother’s funeral. Very interesting! He’s in panic mode about something...hehe.
Steve is a good man. I have not read his case but I wonder if O can pull out a forged birth certificate and the case is over? Did he use any of Leo’s natural born arguements as well.
My guess is they will not take the case and it off to SCOTUS. There is no reason why they should not hear the case but just about every institution in this country is now totally corrupt.
Wasn’t HI also looking for some bailout money or some economic development money? I think tourism is down big time. US tourism as well as Asians visiting HI.
My guess is he could bribe Ligle. the state is very Dem, totally corrupt, controlled by some real swine like Bishop Estate people. If Ligle has the guts to expose this fraud - I will book a vacation to HI. If they cover up for O - I will never visit the place.
June or January?
Aging the ink and getting the texture of the ink from the early 60’s would be the trick.
I’ve read numerous postings on this thread where persons suspect a forged BC will be produced. Personally, I don’t think that likely unless the State of Hawaii participates in a conspiracy.
What I believe will happen is that Hawaii will refuse to release the information. I’m not sure one state court can force another state to release information from state held records. I think it would take a federal court to order this.....which they ALL seem unwilling to do. Vicious circle ain’t it?
IF the originals of his BC WERE to be released and it showed that his status of “natural born” was in question. Then in order to get any action out of congress or federal courts...a large scale uprising (NO, I don’t mean armed revolt which isn’t required) of the populace would be required. Enough unrest and discord that would cause the government to be locked up. It would also help if the majority of serving military would refuse to follow Mr. Obama’s orders because they are “defending the constitution”...although only commissioned officers could do that because their oath does not mention following orders of the POTUS like an enlisted oath does.
Folks, folks, folks...
1. This is just a DRAFT of an order the plaintiffs prepared and would like a judge to sign. It has no meaning at all until and unless a judge signs it.
2. Even then, Hawaii state officials are under no obligation to obey a court order issued by another state’s court as there is no personal jurisdiction over them.
This is a big nothing so far...
Sounds like a plan to me!
Sorry meant to say January 8 for the motion for discovery hearing.
It is the WA Supreme Court’s first day back from the Christmas break. The could have scheduled the hearing before the break but of course chose not to.
By pushing back the en banc hearing for the entire case, that would enable Pidgeon to have time to issue the subpoenas. That’s one of the tactics he could use.
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