It’s no use. No one is listening to logic.
For example, if Obama was not born in Honolulu, then the COLB is fraudulent. The Hawaiian state authorities have falsified their records. If they did that, what would stop them from altering the appearance of a copy of a birth certificate with the state seal? That’s why if they did produce a copy of the original birth certificate, it wouldn’t stop speculation.
Also, Obama clearly produced something in the past that enabled him to get a social security card, a driver’s license and a passport. If Hawaii has a policy of issuing only COLBs to their citizens, this document must have been accepted as sufficient by state and federal authorities. Why should something more be required at this point? Either you can trust the state of Hawaii or not. If not, the fix is in no matter what. Unless you can get sworn statements from witnesses that claim to have personal knowledge of those flights from Kenya to Hawaii within a very narrow time frame, the document issue is closed.
Hawaii has never released anything, that's the point.
The BC provided has been proved fraud. Obama's sister was born in Indonesia, an undisputed fact...she has a Hawaiian COLB
My wife was a resident alien until about 5 years ago. She was born in Okinawa to Filipine and Okinawan Parents but because her father worked on the Kadena Air Base she had a Social Security Number!! SSN doesn’t prove a thing when it comes to citizenship!!!
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I came to this country with a student visa. I immediately got a social security card (for years it said "ineligible to work" but was a SS card anyhow) and a driver's license. All that while I was a Spanish citizen. When I took the oath of citizenship I became eligible to apply for a US passport (haven't done it yet, cannot think of anywhere else in the world that I would rather be than right here) but I cannot run for president. I don't see your "logic"
I tend to agree with your post, but as you have already been informed, Hawaii didn’t confirm anything with regards to the certificate Obama provided factcheck.org et. al. As you are now aware, Hawaii allowed (allows?) the filing of a record of birth that occurred outside the state, even outside the country. So what the Hawaii state board of health have “certified” is that they have a record of birth on file and nothing more.
However you raise a good point, if only by implication, that I think should be clarified here. (Hopefully those putting all their eggs in the “birth certificate basket” are reading this portion). Whatever Obama, or anyone else authorized by him produces at this point will automatically be assumed to be a forgery. So the question of, “Why doesn’t he just release the original” is really a moot point at this point.
Let me repeat: The question of, “Why doesn’t he just release the original?” is moot.
Why is it moot? Because:
a) No one at this point would ever trust anything he “released” anyway. There’d be some “expert” somewhere who would come out of the woodwork and find “faults” with images of newly released certificates, ad infinitum. Maybe not the same “experts” today questioning the images at factcheck.org, but there’d be someone, somewhere, who just isn’t convinced, thus fueling the “conspiracy”.
b) Even Obama himself cannot release the “long form, vault copy”. The “experts” debunking his images now even admit that. The form for requesting a copy of one’s birth certificate from Hawaii does not have the option for releasing this so called “long form”.
Given a and b above, and the points that you raised (he’s been able to get jobs before this, get a driver’s license, get a SS card, etc, all things one needs a valid BC to get), it’s pretty likely that what was produced on the Internet was indeed a valid BC, for all intents and purposes. The “experts” notwithsdanding. (Also, it’s relevant to point out that some of these “experts” are 9/11 “truthers”, so one should take that with a grain of salt)
The BC’ers, if we may so abbreviate such a group now, still have one “Ace in the Hole” though, and that is by some miracle one of the active court cases still ongoing as of today succeeds, then the “long form” can be produced, and produced by a party not associated with Obama, so then the question could finally be resolved to the satisfaction of everyone.
But again, one should really note a) and b) above and seriously ask oneself, “Will the only thing that satisfies me be the courts intervening?” Because if so, at this point, such a person cannot ask, “Why doesn’t he just release the long form and be done with it?” because it’s obvious such a person wouldn’t trust anything released by him anyway, and he (Obama) can’t release the “long form” to begin with.