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To: edweena; All

I tend to agree with your post, but as you have already been informed, Hawaii didn’t confirm anything with regards to the certificate Obama provided factcheck.org et. al. As you are now aware, Hawaii allowed (allows?) the filing of a record of birth that occurred outside the state, even outside the country. So what the Hawaii state board of health have “certified” is that they have a record of birth on file and nothing more.

However you raise a good point, if only by implication, that I think should be clarified here. (Hopefully those putting all their eggs in the “birth certificate basket” are reading this portion). Whatever Obama, or anyone else authorized by him produces at this point will automatically be assumed to be a forgery. So the question of, “Why doesn’t he just release the original” is really a moot point at this point.

Let me repeat: The question of, “Why doesn’t he just release the original?” is moot.

Why is it moot? Because:

a) No one at this point would ever trust anything he “released” anyway. There’d be some “expert” somewhere who would come out of the woodwork and find “faults” with images of newly released certificates, ad infinitum. Maybe not the same “experts” today questioning the images at factcheck.org, but there’d be someone, somewhere, who just isn’t convinced, thus fueling the “conspiracy”.

b) Even Obama himself cannot release the “long form, vault copy”. The “experts” debunking his images now even admit that. The form for requesting a copy of one’s birth certificate from Hawaii does not have the option for releasing this so called “long form”.

Given a and b above, and the points that you raised (he’s been able to get jobs before this, get a driver’s license, get a SS card, etc, all things one needs a valid BC to get), it’s pretty likely that what was produced on the Internet was indeed a valid BC, for all intents and purposes. The “experts” notwithsdanding. (Also, it’s relevant to point out that some of these “experts” are 9/11 “truthers”, so one should take that with a grain of salt)

The BC’ers, if we may so abbreviate such a group now, still have one “Ace in the Hole” though, and that is by some miracle one of the active court cases still ongoing as of today succeeds, then the “long form” can be produced, and produced by a party not associated with Obama, so then the question could finally be resolved to the satisfaction of everyone.

But again, one should really note a) and b) above and seriously ask oneself, “Will the only thing that satisfies me be the courts intervening?” Because if so, at this point, such a person cannot ask, “Why doesn’t he just release the long form and be done with it?” because it’s obvious such a person wouldn’t trust anything released by him anyway, and he (Obama) can’t release the “long form” to begin with.


184 posted on 12/09/2008 9:05:04 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FourtySeven
If he was born in Hawaii, he was born with dual nationality and if the Supremes do their job, they will determine that he is not a natural born citizen.
193 posted on 12/09/2008 9:25:36 AM PST by Technical Editor
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To: FourtySeven

Appreciate your assessment.You are incorrect on the “vault copy”, not being available to Obama.Under Hawaiian law, the “named person” on the vault copy is the ONLY person who can get a copy of the original Certificate of Birth (COB)on file with Hawaii records and stats! Anyone else requests this info— they get a Cerification of Live Birth (COLB). The COLB does not contain all the info on the vault copy, including the nationality of the father. You are right in that a Hawaiian resident could have a birth certificate from Romania on file in Hawaii and a COLB that says this. The problem is that the COLB that Obama put on the net is a proven forgery- multiply proven by certified experts (similar to the Dan Rather episode with Bush).
Obama can clear this question up in a day. But by so doing, he would eliminate himself from his own carefully planned usurpation of power. There are very few states that have “Certification of Live Birth” available to public records requests. In most states, copies of birth certificates are a matter of public record, accessible to anyone. No SS # on the cert in any case, nowadays.
Facts are sticky commodities. We live in an era of marketed “factoids”! What is a “factoid”— something that is “like a fact”. There is, of course no such thing. A fact is a fact. Thanks for your observations.
SCOTUS should take the case(s), but they are not beyond fear of the mob coming after them. Much in history supports this behaviour in the Court. Oh yeah, and the Clintons knew all about Obama on this in the oppo research. And they could come into play in all of this (or may be in action all ready- sub rosa).


199 posted on 12/09/2008 9:40:11 AM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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