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SFGate - It's the rumor that won't go away
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | Saturday, November 29, 2008 | John Diaz

Posted on 11/29/2008 10:01:20 PM PST by Deepest End

Speaking of mail: It's the rumor that won't go away. I continue to get e-mails about why mainstream media are not pursuing the challenge to the authenticity of President-elect Barack Obama's citizenship. The answer is that this allegation has been vetted and debunked.

As this began to circulate on the right-wing blogosphere last spring, the Obama campaign posted a copy of his birth certificate on the Internet for the world to see. While it is true that Hawaiian officials have not made the document public because of privacy laws, the state's health director said she and the registrar of vital statistics have personally inspected his birth certificate and can vouch for its authenticity. That pretty much amounts to "case closed" for anyone but the conspiracy theorists who are convinced that Obama was born in Kenya and his mother fraudulently applied for a Hawaii birth certificate. Even if this were true - it seems rather silly to engage this argument, but here goes - I can't imagine anyone being able to put together sufficient evidence to invalidate a birth certificate that has been in the official vault for 47 years.

That certificate states that Barack Hussein Obama II was born in Honolulu at 7:24 p.m. on Aug. 4, 1961. And, yes, Hawaii had achieved statehood by then, contrary to some versions of this rumor.

John Diaz is The Chronicle's editorial page editor. You can e-mail him at jdiaz@sfchronicle.com.

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; obamatruthfile
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To: Deepest End
While it is true that Hawaiian officials have not made the document public because of privacy laws, the state's health director said she and the registrar of vital statistics have personally inspected his birth certificate and can vouch for its authenticity

But what they did not say is that the bogus document online is the same document, nor did they say anything about the genuine information they have which would indicate that any representation made alleging to contain the information on those documents is factual and correct.

Funny, but they took great pains to NOT say those things.

So, yep, they have the real one, sealed in the state vault, we, on the other hand do not.

21 posted on 11/29/2008 10:40:25 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I am optimistic that Clarence Thomas, John Roberts, Antonin Scalia, Samuel Alito and perhaps et al, know a way to get it.


22 posted on 11/29/2008 10:45:27 PM PST by Deepest End ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government." - Thomas Paine)
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To: thesetruths

“Even the fact this was addressed could mean nerves.”

I agree, thesetruths. They ought to be nervous. The very fact that Obama is fighting so hard to hide something ought to be a red flag to anyone with even half a brain.


23 posted on 11/29/2008 10:54:00 PM PST by CaribouCrossing
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To: Deepest End

I sense we have them surrounded.... fire at will!!


24 posted on 11/29/2008 10:58:08 PM PST by Gator113 ("Noli nothis permittere te terere.")
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To: CaribouCrossing
The very fact that Obama is fighting so hard to hide something ought to be a red flag to anyone with even half a brain.

Have you seen the Obama supporters?

25 posted on 11/29/2008 11:15:48 PM PST by JEH_Boston (Never give up.)
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To: JEH_Boston

“Have you seen the Obama supporters?”

Yep, and they don’t have both oars in the water. But I’ve seen people right here on this forum making comments as if there is “nothing to see here; move along folks” kind of ignorance. For a supposed Republican/Conservative to believe this isn’t an important issue is more frightening than all the liberal nut jobs who voted for Obama.


26 posted on 11/29/2008 11:25:46 PM PST by CaribouCrossing
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To: Deepest End
While it is true that Hawaiian officials have not made the document public because of privacy laws, the state's health director said she and the registrar of vital statistics have personally inspected his birth certificate and can vouch for its authenticity. That pretty much amounts to "case closed" for anyone but the conspiracy theorists...

If we were to reverse the situation here, and liberals were demanding that a Republican President-Elect provide definitive proof of his Natural Born Citizen bona fides, they would never allow our side to dismiss the issue by simply saying that the document was inspected and found to be "authentic".

Authentic what? American? - Kenyan? - or what? That's the damn question, you jackass liberals!

"Case closed", my axx.

Thank God, the USSC Justices aren't so easily conned.

27 posted on 11/29/2008 11:30:13 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: EyeGuy
Would a master forgery work in this case?

Now, there's the burning question of the week.

I, too, have wondered what it would take to create a forgery of his original birth certificate that was so masterful that it could fool the best document examiners and the high court.

Lots of people have wondered aloud whether part of the reason that Obama is stalling is that it takes time to not only produce an unimpeachable forgery, but to also "correct" all of the secondary documentation attached to it, and "handle" the tentacles of paper trails extending from it.

We're not talking any ordinary forgery here. It would practically take the full force of the Russian KGB working overtime to "fix" Obama's entire paper history, and steal the biggest prize on earth.

What I'm wondering, is how Obama et al are going to explain the absence of fold marks, or the embossed seal on the published digital scans of his phony bc that showed up in later photos of the same purported document.

I don't imagine that even the KGB can "fix" that error.

28 posted on 11/29/2008 11:42:49 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Deepest End

The testimony of liars is evidence enough...


29 posted on 11/30/2008 12:34:02 AM PST by Tempest (Obama is not my president.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

He said that he had seen it and could vouch for its authenticity, but reading his words carefully gave absolutely no information on what the certificate contained.

He most carefully did not say that Obama was born in Hawaii on such and such a date, even though that was the most obvious question on everyone’s mind.

Certainly Obama would not have objected to that statement — if it had been true. But he didn’t say it.

As a result, I find the Registrar’s statement to be anything BUT a “case closed.”

Until the actual document is released, the questions are going to keep coming.


30 posted on 11/30/2008 1:02:44 AM PST by Ronin
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To: Deepest End

I’m glad to see the MSM is finally catching on and mentioning this, so that when the Supreme Court decides on Obama’s case it won’t be a total surprise to much of America.

This issue has the most political leverage of any issue heading into the inauguration. Here’s how to measure that. For $8, Obama can make it go away. Instead he’s spending $800,000 on lawyers to delay and spin. That’s 5 orders of magnitude worth of leverage.


31 posted on 11/30/2008 1:36:57 AM PST by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: Deepest End

Ha!


32 posted on 11/30/2008 2:52:47 AM PST by RatsDawg (Whatever the Government gives us, it must first take away from us.)
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To: Deepest End

Don’t mind that man behind the curtain...


33 posted on 11/30/2008 2:55:55 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Deepest End

http://www.vitalchek.com/agency_locator.aspx?providerid=11939&Hawaii_Birth_Certificate

Spend a saw buck or two...


34 posted on 11/30/2008 5:40:50 AM PST by member 1 (FloatsumIsEverywhere)
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To: Deepest End

The birth certificate is a red herring. Read this short article by Leo Donofrio...
http://www.lanlamphere.com/public/2008/11/22/what-is-a-natural-born-citizen-by-leo-donofrio/

It would appear that the Supreme Court will have a hard time arguing that Obama is eligible for POTUS. They may argue that Obama’s own statements on his web site, and what he’s written in his books, is not proof of dual citizenship. They may throw it out stating that the plaintiffs have not shown sufficient proof. Which they can’t get without Obama’s say so. However, knowing that they may order Obama to provide ALL birth and heritage records for their review. We’ll have to see.

Anyway, the only reason I see for the MSM to ignore the main issue (Obama’s dual citizenship), other than the fear of being shown to be fools after how they were so far in the tank for Obama, is that if Obama is deemed ineligible by the Supreme Court, meaning the Court upholds the Constitution, it will be proof to the Blacks and the DNC that it’s a rigged system. The Court gave us Bush in 2000, and the Republicans stole it again in 2004, and now a Black-American Democrat can’t break through the glass ceiling and grab the prize...that of being POTUS! I know that’s all hogwash, but the illiterate and uneducated will probably look at it that way.

Also, you and I know that Howard Dean, everyone of any importance in the DNC, and the House and Senate leadership, realize Obama can’t “Constitutionally” be President. Their whistling past the graveyard hoping he’ll get in by the skin of his teeth.


35 posted on 11/30/2008 5:40:51 AM PST by rswan6574
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To: rswan6574
OH LOOK!

Not only can you e-mail the lying democrat propagandist here:
jdiaz@sfchronicle.com .

You can also post hot comments for online viewers to read at the end of the article:
Fire Back Here

(Just stating the obvious)

36 posted on 11/30/2008 6:00:43 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs...nothing more than Bald Haired Hippies!)
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To: everyone

I think its much more serious than just a phony Birth Certificate. I will bet that Obama was born from a Jackal, and on that scalp you could find a birthmark reading “666”.


37 posted on 11/30/2008 7:27:34 AM PST by north_georgia_republican
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To: Deepest End

How To [produce a] Fake Obama Birth Certificate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0cjS_Cl_LM


38 posted on 11/30/2008 9:00:09 AM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger then yours)
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To: Deepest End
WOW!
Barry's hometown press is REALLY colorblind, aren't they?

The reputation of “Journalism” may never be salvaged.

The esteem and protection provided the "Press" by our founders is no longer justified by the current batch of knee walking, bib wearing, Koolaid drinking biased sycophants with a Leftist agenda.

Six months ago, most couldn't spell JOURNALIST, now they are one!

39 posted on 11/30/2008 10:12:34 AM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Windflier

I think that HAS to be what is going on here.

I guess NOW that this is apparently going to be reviewed by the Supreme Court (it is, isn’t it?), there is a massive effort underway to create a new “original” birth certificate.

The earlier fraud will be dismissed as some kind of well-intentioned “mistake”, with full cover from the LeftMedia of course.


40 posted on 11/30/2008 10:37:20 AM PST by EyeGuy
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