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Dilemma at SCOTUS: Calumny and Civil Disorder or Usurpation and Civil disorder
http://steadyhabits.blogspot.com ^ | 112808 | SteadyJohn

Posted on 11/28/2008 9:01:42 PM PST by SteadyJohn

Perhaps one can sense now why Barack Obama chose constitutional law as his personal field of specialization. It is becoming increasingly clear that Mr. Obama has known all along that he is constitutionally ineligible for President of The United States but has nevertheless mounted an extremely successful campaign which threatens an end run around the Constitution and has brought him nearly to the U.S. Presidency.

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; History; Politics
KEYWORDS: 2008; birthcertificate; election; naturalborncitizen; obamabirthcert; obamafraud; potus; scotus
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To: thecodont
The examples I gave were people purported to be born outside of the USA. I am sorry I did not stress that more clearly. Most people seem to accept a person born here as having validity to claim their birthright as a citizen, but my problem comes with people like Calero who was not born under US jurisdiction and has no claim to US citizenry.
21 posted on 11/29/2008 1:58:32 PM PST by this is my country
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To: SteadyJohn

He’s playing a game of Constitutional Chicken.


22 posted on 11/29/2008 2:01:51 PM PST by Eagle Eye (Libs- If you don't have to play the rules then neither do we...THINK ABOUT IT!)
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To: this is my country
The examples I gave were people purported to be born outside of the USA. I am sorry I did not stress that more clearly. Most people seem to accept a person born here as having validity to claim their birthright as a citizen, but my problem comes with people like Calero who was not born under US jurisdiction and has no claim to US citizenry.

Right, your example is of people clearly born outside the U.S.

The issue seems to be of how to define "natural born citizen" as opposed to a naturalized citizen or a citizen by virtue of birth on U.S. soil. I understand this is what the Donofrio lawsuit is trying to set forth.

Calero is a good example (a "flashpoint" by definition?) of how the process of vetting Presidential candidates is falling apart: he wasn't even born here, and was never a naturalized citizen here either.

The examples I provided had to do with other points on the "natural born citizen" spectrum. Are U.S. born-children of immigrants considered "natural born" (as in the U.S. Presidents with one or more foreign-born parents)?

From what I can recall, my public school education taught me that being born on U.S. soil was a sufficient condition for one to be eligible for the Presidency. Discussion of the George Romney case came and went but never received much attention because he never got that far in the electoral process.

23 posted on 11/29/2008 2:11:44 PM PST by thecodont
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To: Ann Archy
Don't you realize...if they rule in Obama’s favor, no one’s going to do anything. No patriots will rise up to wage war.

If anyone does, it'll likely be so few that they could be fairly easily turned back. There aren't “millions of angry people” who will take up arms, no matter what some may think. While there are a bunch of people who think what's happening is a crock, they are too lazy or scared to stand forth and defend America.

The only thing the Supremes will be thinking about is the millions of blacks who will explode into the streets if they overturn the election.

24 posted on 11/29/2008 2:46:38 PM PST by hoagy62 (PAGF Charter member)
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To: thecodont

“From what I can recall, my public school education taught me that being born on U.S. soil was a sufficient condition for one to be eligible for the Presidency.”

Yes, if this is not constitutionally accurate and we did have an amendment change, I think most people would find this position reasonable.


25 posted on 11/29/2008 3:11:51 PM PST by this is my country
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To: hoagy62

DUH....that’s what I’ve been saying.


26 posted on 11/29/2008 3:14:08 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifinish attitude.e to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy

Oh.
Sorry...it’s been a long week.


27 posted on 11/29/2008 3:54:25 PM PST by hoagy62 (PAGF Charter member)
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To: Shady Ray
And they will roll over him the same way they did FDR.

I've noticed the same with some of the members on this board. Rolling over , hoping to make a come back in four years .

28 posted on 11/29/2008 4:00:44 PM PST by piroque
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To: thecodont
Recently Gov. Bobby Jindal, son of Indian immigrants, was mentioned as a possible Presidential candidate.

Yes , he was born in Baton Rouge , Louisiana . So that is not the same as the ZERO

29 posted on 11/29/2008 4:06:00 PM PST by piroque
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To: Eagle Eye

I think you’re right and he’s calling our bluff! And, as another commentator here said “how many patriots are going to really stand up for the Constitution vs how many Obamabots are going to cause civil disorder if things don’t go their way”


30 posted on 11/29/2008 8:31:51 PM PST by SteadyJohn
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To: hoagy62

How can you turn over an election that maybe is not valid in the first place.

I am not crazy or a wingnut, but enough questions have been raised to warrant a closer look at obama’s birth.


31 posted on 11/30/2008 4:51:00 PM PST by waxer1 ( Live Free or Die)
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To: Ann Archy

If it is apparent beyond reasonable doubt that Hussein is not a natural born citizen, then we must look to any and all legal and constitutional actions to deny him the presidency. If the constitution of the US is not worth defending against mob rule, then nothing is. If we wish to preserve the republic, than we had best let the chips fall, and then sort them out. By whatever means necessary.

We who value the constitution will not allow the moral emphasis of this argument to be inverted. All this speculation, correct or not; has come about because this lying crypto-marxist thug from the most corrupt environs of leftist Chicago sewer politics has ascended to POTUS-elect status with the willing aquiescence of the MSM. The MSM was hell-bent on concealing this usurper’s background because they wanted him to be elected. Now, in a classic case of blame the messenger, those of us who belive in the constitution are being reviled for insisting that a POTUS comply with a basic requirement that most of us unhesitatingly conform with when seeking a driver’s license.

The arrogance and effrontery of this lying bastid is breathtaking. The founders knew that they were not natural born citizens, so they had to include language in Art II Sec 1 that exempted THEM. Does this fraud think that he is better than Washington, Madison, Adams, and Jefferson in that sense? Apparently he does, and with the acquiesence of enough people, he will suceed in usurping and corrupting the Executive Branch of government. This situation presents the very real posssibility of impelling this great nation beyond a constitutional crisis toward a civil war.

Finally, consider the implications of a man who would undertake these devious machinations to knowingly assume an office that he has no constitutional claim to, and than to see this same counterfeit president elect take an oath to defend that constitution. I believe that such a man would be willing to impose ANY sort or despotism or tyranny upon us to retain power.


32 posted on 11/30/2008 6:38:32 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: piroque

Also he was not born a British citizen with dual allegiances thru his father, as Obama has admitted on his website.


33 posted on 11/30/2008 6:42:03 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: PROSOUTH

Far more damage will be done to the country if a usurper is allowed to take office, subsequently shown to be ineligble after having signed legislation, initiated ratified treaties, made appointments to US offices, ordered troop movements, only to have all those official acts reversed after the truth comes out.


34 posted on 11/30/2008 6:47:49 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: waxer1

Oh, by no means am I saying that we shouldn’t investigate, and, if he’s not eligible, demand his disqualification.

The problem I see is that is probably where it is going to end. Do we really assume that there are going to be millions who will rise up and demand our government do the right thing? I am afraid I don’t have that much faith that the American public really gives a rat’s patoot. Those that truly care seem to be a much smaller number than could ever hope to force the government to follow the law.

If I am wrong, I’ll take that crow battered and deep-fried.


35 posted on 11/30/2008 8:31:06 PM PST by hoagy62 (PAGF Charter member)
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To: hoagy62

In that I surely agree with you.

If the Supremes do not do the right thing, then I will know that we do not have a constitution left.


36 posted on 12/01/2008 5:11:02 AM PST by waxer1 ( Live Free or Die)
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To: Ann Archy
MOST BIG CITIES WILL BURN.....MANY PEOPLE WILL BE KILLED.....do the Supremes care about the CONSTITUTION or CIVIL WAR??

I hope they care more about their sacred charge to uphold the Constitution and let the others take care of whatever.

BTW, fitting post for someone with your moniker, AA.

37 posted on 12/08/2008 4:41:47 PM PST by unspun (PRAY & WORK FOR FREEDOM - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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