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Obama Birth Certificate Facts and Obama Citizenship Facts
Obama Birth Certificate Facts ^
| Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:35 am
Posted on 11/27/2008 5:25:52 PM PST by ckilmer
Obama Birth Certificate Facts and
Obama Citizenship Facts
FACT: Obama has NOT provided a certified copy of an original, typed, vault copy, long-form, birth certificate, signed by his mother and delivering doctor with the name of the hospital thereon, to be used to conclusively prove his "natural born" citizenship status per the U.S. Constitution.
Being a "natural born citizen" is required to serve in the office of the Presidency under our U.S. Constitution. Obama has only produced a computer-generated, short-form, registration of birth form called a "Certification of Live Birth", (aka COLB). And some question the genuineness of that proffered document. But note, it does not say "Certificate" it says "Certification". Thus it is not a Birth "Certificate". And this is a key difference in the discussion of what Obama has proffered and what he has not. Only the actual long form original typed version signed by the mother and delivering doctor and/or other witnesses is a Birth "Certificate" under Hawaiian law and to the courts. In Hawaii that document is named "Certificate of Live Birth". Note, the change in the one word, "Certificate" of Live Birth (aka long form Birth Certificate), not "Certification" of Live Birth (aka COLB, the computer generated short form), which is what Obama has proffered thus far. And a short form "COLB" is not a conclusive legal document to prove birth and is not acceptable to most courts for proof of birth facts. A short form "COLB" shows a birth was registered. But not by whom and exactly how. Nor does it provide the facts necessary to trace the facts to independent third party witnesses or facts, such as the name of the hospital or doctor. See videos below for more on that. So, Obama has proved his birth was registered in Hawaii but has not proven conclusively that he was physically born there, nor what exactly is stated or not stated on the long form document filled out in 1961, if one exists. Read the next paragraph as to why.
Registration of live births under the vague laws in Hawaii in 1961 is not proof of birth in Hawaii at all. Read the laws on the books in Hawaii for registration of births in 1961.
This is what the law actually allowed in 1961.
"Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child."
See link below for the entire law. A child could be born anywhere in the world and have the birth registered in Hawaii by the mother later upon returning to Hawaii using this law on the books in 1961.http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htmhttp://www.americanthinker.com/2008/11/why_the_barack_obama_birth_cer.html
Read this simple, straight forward, comparative report about what Obama has proffered as evidence of "natural born citizenship" and what he has NOT provided:
http://www.peoplespassions.org/peoplesvoice/Birth_Certificate.htm
A computer generated form can be easily PhotoShop'd, altered, or forged. Such a simple registration record could be retro-actively filed in Hawaii in 1961 as a post birth event registration for up to one year after birth of a child, with the birth not even having occurred in Hawaii. No one checked these retro-active registrations in HI at that time which were done by simply signing an affidavit that the facts are true. The mother or grandparents could have done this retro-actively upon the mother's return to give the infant child citizenship. This was a possible cover up at the time by the mother and grandmother. The short form data is then being abstracted from a false, delayed registration of birth, filed with false information by the mother with a simple affidavit with no non-family member, independent witnesses. That was permitted under Hawaii law in 1961. A mother could register a child up to one year after the actual birth. But who knew this child would grow up an run for President and that someone would dig into the records to find the truth, as is now being done. Such a case would explain the stalling, delaying, and obfuscating tactics Obama and his lawyers are engaging in. They don't want the true nature of the birth records registered in Hawaii by his mother and maternal grandmother revealed.
FACT: A qualification per the U.S. Constitution for a person to serve as the President of the U.S. is that they must be a "natural born citizen".
A computer generated birth registration form, aka the COLB type document proffered by Obama's campaign, is not sufficient evidence for most court cases, let alone to assume the office of Presidency of the U.S. For more about Obama's birth certificate and citizenship issue, below are links to web pages which explain what a "vault copy" of an original birth certificate is and an example of what one looks like from circa the time frame of interest in Hawaii. Obama has NOT provided such a document and refuses to do so.
http://www.peoplespassions.org/peoplesvoice/Birth_Certificate.htm
For the time period in question, the originals were generally typed or hand printed, and will have the signature of the mother on it, the name and signature of the delivering doctor, the name of the hospital, as well as other witnesses to the birth, if any. Obama refuses to provide a certified "vault copy" of his original birth registration in Hawaii. This web page explains and provides exhibits and examples what Obama has provided and what he has not, to date. Also and very importantly note that to date, Obama has NOT personally said in public, "I am a natural born citizen of the U.S. per the U.S. Constitution", and produced a certified "vault copy" of the long form, original birth certificate signed by his mother and the doctor and showing the hospital record where he was born. Why has he not done that? Why has he not released his college records from Occidental in CA, Columbia in NY, and Harvard in MA? Why is he hiding behind his lawyers on this?
IMPORTANT BREAKING NEWS, 26 Nov 2008: Third case docketed with the U.S. Supreme Court filed in CT against the Secretary of State:
http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08a469.htm
IMPORTANT BREAKING NEWS, 19 Nov 2008: U.S. Supreme Court Justice Thomas rules on Obama Citzenship case filed by Atty. Donofrio of NJ to "stay" the election process, i.e., stop "Electoral College" meetings until such time as the "natural born citizen" status is decided for ALL candidates on the ballot both Obama and McCain. But this is more relevant to Senator Obama since he won the popular vote and is up to be qualified and elected by the Electors when the Electoral College meets. That is the gist of the case brought by Atty. Donofrio. Justice Thomas ruled and accepted the case and distributed copies it to all nine Justices for consideration at a joint conference scheduled for 5 Dec 08 to determine if they will hear the case to define what the term "natural born citizen" means in the Constitution and to require all candidates to prove beyond any doubt to the court that they meet that definition. See these links for details:
U.S. Supreme Court Docket:
http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08a407.htmAtty. Leo C. Donofrio's New BlogSpot.com Site:
http://thenaturalborncitizen.blogspot.com/Atty. Leo C. Donofrio's Old TextBlog .org Site:
http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/For news on the first case to reach the U.S. Supreme Court by Atty Berg of PA.
See the below link. Justice Souter is still waiting to rule on this one:
http://www.obamacrimes.com/
IMPORTANT BREAKING NEWS, 25 Nov 2008: Ron Polarik, PhD, document and image expert, states in report and video the Obama's online birth records at the Obama campaign website and FactCheck.org and Snopes.com, etc., are all forged. Note: "Dr. Polarik" is a pseudonym and his identity is obscured in this video to protect his real identity. See video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz58SxMhP4Y
Watch these Youtube videos in numbered order listed for more on what Obama has proffered as evidence and what he has not provided and the concerns of why we need to learn more:
1. 2.
3. 4.
"PC" correct verbiage of recent times is found in the Obama supplied short form COLB. This indicates to several document examiners that Obama's short-form Certification of Live Birth (COLB) document is likely a fraud and/or that the registration was registered much later than 1961. This reminds me of similar problems with Obama's Selective Service System (SSS) draft registration record. It has been found by document examiners to have been likely created in 2008 and back-dated into the SSS data base to make it look like it was done in 1980.
Ron Polarik, PhD, document and image expert, states in his report and video that Obama's online birth records at the Obama campaign website and FactCheck.org and Snopes.com, etc., are all forged. Note: "Dr. Polarik" is a pseudonym and his identity is obscured in this video to protect his real identity. See details and video of Dr. Polarik's work at these links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz58SxMhP4Yhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2136816/posts
Indications of possible more recent registration of Obama's birth in Hawaii:
http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2008/08/proof-barack-obama-birth-certificate-is.html
Charges of fraudulent back dated Draft Registration of Obama:
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/11/exclusive_did_n.html
And, the birth announcement placed in the local community newspaper is also false and misleading:
http://countryfirst.bravehost.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=249&p=612#p612
Too many questions remain unanswered. Too many allegations of falsified, back dated documents. Not enough primary source, independently verified, conclusive, original, long form, legal evidence of where he was actually born has been provided. Why has Obama never publicly and personally addressed these charges and issues himself? Is he afraid of being later criminally charged personally with false representations and perjury? Is that why he is always hiding behind staff and lawyers when it comes to answering such questions? It reminds me of the Clinton and Monica story and Bill's carefully selected words, parsing of sentences, stalling, and obfuscating. Where there is smoke there likely is fire. Obama could have solved this long already. All he had to do and still could do is state in public, "I am a natural born citizen of the U.S. per the U.S. Constitution" and produce a certified copy of the "vault copy" of the long form, original birth certificate filled out in 1961 showing the mother's signature, the delivering doctor's signature, name of the hospital, and any other witnesses, if any. These facts could then be traced to the original hospital and its records. That would end all this. Why he has not done so, something so simple to do, given he wants the highest office in our government, is the driving reason of our concern. He must produce the original long form birth certificate so its genuineness can be confirmed by document experts and so the traceable facts on it, such as the delivering doctor's name and the named hospital and its records, can be independently verified.
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P.S.
According to people's accounts in Kenya when Obama was first elected to the U.S. Senate, it was common knowledge that Obama was born in Kenya:
Now we have some more breaking news on Obama's Kenyan birth made by the Kenyan Ambassador to the U.S. on 21 Nov 2008:Obama Born in Kenya Acknowledged by Kenyan Ambassador. Here is a YouTube replay of the radio show call to the Kenyan Ambassador. Listen to it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH4GX3Otf14Original show complete show tape at radio station:
http://my.wrif.com/mim/?p=916
Add the above acknowledgments by the Ambassador to the prior videos and voice recordings of his Kenyan paternal grandmother's own words such as these below. You decide.
What if makes me decide is that I definitely want to see the long form, original birth certificate filed in Hawaii to see what it says and doesn't say. Back needs to pony up and release it.
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Mountain Goat on Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:32 am, edited 146 times in total.
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To: Canedawg
Which talk show hosts have covered this, at all? Which in some detail.
The only one I remember hearing cover it was Lars Larson. It was not dismissive, it was words to the effect: “I have heard about it and would like to see it resolved, but don’t know enough to have an opinion...”
I think Glen Beck may have mentioned it?
I listen to a lot of Medved and Hewitt. I have not heard either discuss it.
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posted on
11/27/2008 9:34:43 PM PST
by
Jack Black
(NO MANDATORY SERVICE IN THE OBAMA-YOUTH !)
To: LucyT
Thanks for the ping. I’m not quite sure about this article. It says that the election process has been stayed, but that’s the first I’ve heard of it.
19 Nov 2008: U.S. Supreme Court Justice Thomas rules on Obama Citzenship case filed by Atty. Donofrio of NJ to “stay” the election process, i.e., stop “Electoral College” meetings until such time as the “natural born citizen” status is decided for ALL candidates on the ballot both Obama and McCain.
42
posted on
11/27/2008 9:44:26 PM PST
by
Kevmo
(Palin/Hunter 2012)
To: Kevmo
Anyone know any thing about the Connector case? Thought I read that they had a SC case that set precedence for “Natural born” , but couldn't find it when I looked for the information to share.
43
posted on
11/27/2008 10:02:14 PM PST
by
hoosiermama
(Count not the blessings you have received, but those you have shared with others. :~))
To: Jack Black
None of the radio shows i listen to have covered this in detail. i listen to Rush, Levin, Ingraham and sometimes hannity.
What I am saying is that even if they dont want to take a strident position as many of us here have done, it would at least behoove them to put it out there that he has been stonewalling the cases and has refused to exchange the BC.
That is no way for him to expect to ever gain any credibility with those of us who see right through his B.S.
44
posted on
11/27/2008 10:15:15 PM PST
by
Canedawg
(The media is a ass, a idiot.," said Mr. Bumble.)
To: ckilmer
This ‘non-story’ is oPres-elect Obama’s Achilles Heel.It will be his undoing
To: Clear Air Turbulence
after the Republican governor of Hawaii has confirmed that the original does show he was born hereGovernor Lingle only affirmed that Hawaii does hold his birth certificate. She did not affirm that Obama was born in Hawaii.
46
posted on
11/28/2008 1:45:41 AM PST
by
Faith
To: RummyChick
My thoughts exactly. Does anyone know if the State Department keep records of U.S. citizens traveling abroad? If they do, and Obama was actually born in Kenya, wouldn’t the State Department records show that Stanley Ann Dunham travelled to Kenya (either alone or with Obama, Sr.), and then returning to the U.S. with a child?
Can this information be obtained through a Freedom of Information request?
Inquiring minds want to know!
To: JustaDumbBlonde
Does the Constitution specify that a candidate will provide "a certified copy of an original, typed, vault copy, long-form, birth certificate, signed by his mother and delivering doctor with the name of the hospital thereon"? I didn't think so.That would be necessary to determine the actual place of birth, however the Senate by the passage of Resolution 511 has actually made the presentation of such birth certificate unnecessary with its own official definition of "natural born", which according to the Senate, requires that the candidate for President be born of "American citizens" -- that's plural.
Both parents have to be American citizens for the candidate to be considered to be "natural born", according to the Senate in this Resolution. Obama fails the Senate's definition big time.
Will Harry Reid have to take a vote to rescind or amend Resolution 511 before a vote is taken on January 9th to accept the electoral votes??? This Resolution will be used against the Senate in perpetuity should it vote in January to accept any electoral votes for Barack Obama -- and they all know it. Their December will be one of great consternation.
Merry Christmas to them all --
48
posted on
11/28/2008 6:12:11 AM PST
by
Uncle Chip
(TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
To: El Gato
"Is it asking so much for him to provide his version of the record whose very purpose is document one's birth?"No, it is not too much to ask, and my question was addressing the specific requirements that a bunch of internet petitioners have attached to the demand that they have made. Oh, well.
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posted on
11/28/2008 7:49:27 AM PST
by
JustaDumbBlonde
(America: Home of The Free Because of The Brave)
To: Kevmo
I'm not quite sure about this article. It says that the election process has been stayed.No, the election process hasn't been stayed - as of now. The "stay" refers to what attorney Donofrio is asking the SCOTUS to do in the current litigation.
To: Duck Fan
"I had to provide a certified birth certificate to join the Navy, why shouldnt The Messiah have to produce one to be my CINC?"I don't disagree with you at all, and that was not the purpose of my comment. I had to produce two documents to get my driver's license.
All of the folks that are screaming and pounding their keyboards assume that nobody has seen a certified copy of Obama's birth record. I happen to believe that it has been seen. I happen to believe (for the life of me I can't figure out why) that President Bush and our CIA, FBI and others have made sure that the man they are giving the world's security secrets to is entitled to receive same. It is extremely disturbing to think that they have been so reckless as to let this little detail pass them by.
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posted on
11/28/2008 7:59:37 AM PST
by
JustaDumbBlonde
(America: Home of The Free Because of The Brave)
To: justiceseeker93
The article states clearly:
Court Justice Thomas rules on Obama Citzenship case filed by Atty. Donofrio of NJ to stay the election process
52
posted on
11/28/2008 9:07:15 AM PST
by
Kevmo
(Palin/Hunter 2012)
To: Kevmo
Justice Thomas merely elected to distribute the case to all the SCOTUS judges for the December 5 SCOTUS conference. There has been no decision yet as to whether or not the SCOTUS will grant the stay requested by the plaintiff.
To: justiceseeker93
Then it looks like both of us have the same issue with this article spreading incorrect information.
54
posted on
11/28/2008 9:38:45 AM PST
by
Kevmo
(Palin/Hunter 2012)
To: LucyT
Thanks, LucyT
Great thread!
Ping.
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posted on
11/28/2008 10:10:54 AM PST
by
Iowan
To: JustaDumbBlonde
"It is extremely disturbing to think that they have been so reckless as to let this little detail pass them by." One can almost believe that there is only one political party masquerading as a two-party system. It answers why they are (seemingly) covering for each other.
To: JustaDumbBlonde
"I happen to believe (for the life of me I can't figure out why) that President Bush and our CIA, FBI and others have made sure that the man they are giving the world's security secrets to is entitled to receive same. It is extremely disturbing to think that they have been so reckless as to let this little detail pass them by." Justa, your instincts are great but I disagree with you.
Even the President does not have the right to view Obama's birth certificate without a legal reason to do so. Can you imagine the outcry if the White House, FBI or CIA demanded that a Hawaiian government official (guaranteed to be a Democrat) produce his BC behind the scenes? The fact is, it HASN'T happened.
There are too many uneasy questions about this matter for me. His mother an airheaded white leftist, cavorting with a married black African and having a child with him. Remarrying an Indonesian and moving to Indonesia. Letting the stepfather enroll Obama in a madrassa using the Indonesian surname, and stating (this has been proven) that he was an Indonesian citizen. Rumors that Obama, while at Occidental college, claimed to be a foreign student and received financial aid reserved for foreign students -- he would've had to show evidence for this aid. Rumors that he traveled on an Indonesian passport while a young adult.
I can easily view his mother being PROUD that her son was not an American when she was a dumb young leftist, proud that his father and stepfather were non-white leftists from other countries, proud that he lived and was schooled in a non-Western school and country, proud that he had a non-American passport.
I can also view, from Obama's perspective, that he feels like a native-born American. He is not the lamebrain like his mother. Though a leftist, he believes he is a true-blue American. And in essence, he is. But that doesn't change the facts, if true, that he might not have been born in the USA, and that his parents might have deliberately changed his citizenship. All of which would make him Constitutionally ineligible, for life, to be President.
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posted on
12/04/2008 7:50:04 AM PST
by
tom h
To: tom h
"Even the President does not have the right to view Obama's birth certificate without a legal reason to do so. Can you imagine the outcry if the White House, FBI or CIA demanded that a Hawaiian government official (guaranteed to be a Democrat) produce his BC behind the scenes? The fact is, it HASN'T happened."Thank you for your polite and thoughtful response. While it is true that there would be much screaming if someone had demanded the BC from officials behind the scenes, there are other ways. I am not prepared to state categorically that nobody has seen his birth certificate, and I really don't think that anybody here can do so with confidence.
With all of the questions that have been raised publicly, I simply find it incredible that some assurances have not been made by some means. If the intelligence officials and the Bush administration have been so stupid as to give national security secrets to an unqualified person and his staff, we have much larger problems than whether or not Obama is natural born. Our system of checks and balances will have already been compromised.
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posted on
12/04/2008 2:21:49 PM PST
by
JustaDumbBlonde
(America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
To: JustaDumbBlonde
Perhaps you’re not old enough to remember Gary Aldrich and his book about the first couple years of the Clinton Administration. Aldrich was the FBI agent stationed at the White House, responsible for liaison with Quantico.
One of his first duties was to process security clearances for Clinton staff. Basically a very routine job. I have held clearances for over 20 years. What the FBI is looking for are markers that indicate one is bribable. Extremely high debts, living well beyond one’s means, drug use. [The old days of being homosexual, or a Communist, as a disqualifier are long gone.]
But virtually none of the Clintonites submitted their paperwork. Aldrich was shocked that any group of young people could be so brazen and disrespectful of the office. But Clinton, especially Hillary I think, deliberately defied the FBI.
Why? Many of them probably had leftist ties that wouldn’t have disqualified them, and many probably had extensive drug use in the past.
The issue is that neither Bill nor Hillary forced them to comply. Lending even more to their disrespect. And, as commander-in-chief, technically Bill can waive the clearance requirement for anyone he wants.
Aldrich also documented the other Clinton outrages that never got into the MSM, including Hillary throwing the coffee in the Marine’s face, Hillary throwing the ashtray at Bill, the young staffers running around in jeans, cutoffs, flip-flops, and basically having no respect for the traditions of the White House.
So the fact that Obama never had a background investigation, one that includes a validation of citizenship, does not surprise me.
59
posted on
12/04/2008 2:57:36 PM PST
by
tom h
To: tom h
Does that mean that the Bush administration has been acting just like the Clinton administration when it comes to security checks, because Bush has been in office the entire time that Obama has been in anything other than an Illinois state job?
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posted on
12/04/2008 3:04:12 PM PST
by
JustaDumbBlonde
(America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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