Posted on 11/13/2008 6:49:03 AM PST by ml/nj
Did President-elect Barack Hussein Obama commit a federal crime in September of this year? Or did he never actually register and, instead, did friends of his in the Chicago federal records center, which maintains the official copy of his alleged Selective Service registration commit the crime for him?
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As the retired federal agent notes:
Having worked for the Federal Government for several decades, I know that the standardization of DLNs have the first two digits of the DLN representing the year of issue. That would mean that this DLN was issued in 2008. The DLN on the computer screen printout is the exact same number, except the 0 and 8 have changed positions making it a 1980 DLN number. And 1980 is the year Senator/President Elect Obama is said to have timely registered. So, why does the machine-stamped DLN reflect this year (2008) and the DLN in the database (which was manually input) reflect a "corrected" DLN year of 1980? Were all the DLNs issued in 1980 erroneously marked with a 2008 DLN year or does the Selective Service use a different DLN system then the rest of the Federal Government? Or was the SSS Form 1 actually processed in 2008 and not 1980?...
(Excerpt) Read more at debbieschlussel.com ...
I’ve read stuff about Khalid someone or other financing at least some of his college career. I am sure others here know more about it.
I am close to someone who emigrated to the US legally, became a naturalized citizen, and later changed his name. He did it legally with some kind of form and had to post an announcement in the newspaper a few times. There is a way to do with a lawyer. I don’t see why there wouldn’t be a public record, this was in the early 90s.
Curious...... Have you seen any info or know of the requirements regarding student loans from back in the Obama college days. In that he was required to register with the Selective Service is that requirement a condition for obtaining student loans. I don’t know but if it was and he got loans then there should be some info as to his claim of registering on the loan form.
Just so you both know, Ken Woods signed up today to let us know that the messup with Hussein’s card is not his fault but someone trying to make it look bogus. BTW, this is Ken Wood’s sole commeont on FR.
It would be interesting if someone could critique his critique. ‘Cause it looks to me as though KW is saying that someone messed with a legitimate card to make it look bogus, when Hussein is really as innocent and pure as the driven snow.
What we all want is the truth - good, bad or ugly.
Duh - late to the party, as always. I really should read to the end of the thread before making my “wise” pronouncements!
Koyaan is also posts under the names “se” and “steve”, and god only knows who many other aliases.
He posts relentlessly on Obamacrimes and AtlasShrugs birth certificate threads. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is also Non-Sequitor on FR since he is also a huge Obama fan.
Here is my second post to you all. I’m not the Ken Woods someone found posting elsewhere. I don’t use profanity in my posting. If you google my name you’ll find there are quit a few of us around.
This SSS conspiracy gets more curious every day. Now Debbie has revealed her source for the FOIA SSS cards for Obama, name and email. He has also posted and claims he just scanned the two copies from the FOIA in his HP printer and mailed the scans to Debbie. If that’s true, then maybe Debbie did the cleanup job on the SSS forms. Of maybe she is getting ‘DanRathered’, rather ironic that would be.
Some have been looking at the SS number, which is all most can find, to see if Obama’s fits into numbers issued in 1980. Here is a quote from Debbie site by someone (not me):
“My Selective Service number (I’m going out on a limb here because I don’t think there’s any personal data in the number) is 61-1076250-4. I looked it up on the Selective Service website and do not have a physical card to examine.
Clearly the first 2 numbers indicate year of birth “61”. I think the middle numbers are sequential, as in 1,076,250. Obama’s SSSN is 61-1125539-1. Again, 1st 2 numbers are year of birth. 2nd set probably means the 1,125,539th registrant. This is plausible.
Since this would be the beginning of re-registering for the draft, the data center would be handling very heavy volume. Our two numbers, processed on the same day (9-4-1980), would be 49,289 apart. That’s quite a few cards in one day. I’ve never worked in a data center such as Selective Service used/uses, so I really can’t speak to whether that type of one-day volume is do-able or not.”
There is also some digital funny business around the post office date seal. I’ve put these on my photosite:
http://profile.imageshack.us/user/truthsquad73/images/detail/#99/obamaselectiveservicerezu5.jpg
Was the “19” also white erased from the seal? Investigate yourself. I don’t expect anyone to take my word for anything.
Oh, I think my mug shot is on that site too :)
Dear Sir:
The latest Registration Numbers, such as you listed below, start with the man’s year of birth (89-, 90-, etc.). However, the other number have no significance and are random.
Sincerely,
Janice L. Hughes
Public & Intergovernmental Affairs
Selective Service System” etc...
She didn't answer your question about when did the selective service numbers changed over the first two digits from the state code to the person's birthday..
I didn't realized it was different earlier. I thought the Freepers were mistaken. So that makes it even more suspicious. I have a Selective Service form for 92 and don't believe that the one on Debbie's site is legit. The Selective Service number isn't even on Obama’s form, just the inquiry. I don't know who is faking it, but we need a real copy of his Selective Service record.
Here are two other threads on this subject.
EXCLUSIVE: Did Next Commander-in-Chief Falsify Selective Service Registration?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2132690/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2131604/posts
Also information on the penalties for not registering.
http://www.sss.gov/FSbenefits.htm
It is the same number as the one on the inquiry screen request for information on Debbie's site, so it is the one in question.
I believe Obama’s form is fake as it doesn't even have his Selective Service number on it. Does anyone have one around that year? I have a copy of one for 1992 (birthday of the person is 1974). I realize the form could have changed, but I can't believe they would leave off the Selective Service number altogether. The only thing blanked out is a space for the Social Service Number, which is also blanked out on the inquiry form. The Selective Service number is given on the inquiry form.
We need more info from Debbie as to how she obtained this copy. Someone said the person revealed his name. I couldn't find it on the site yet. Anyone have it?
UPDATE #2, 11/14/08: Retired Federal Agent Source Reveals Himself:Agent Coffman has himself made some posts on that thread.The recently retired federal agent has requested that I disclose his identity so that there is no question as to the source of the information.
His name is Stephen Coffman. He retired last year from the position of the Resident Agent in Charge of Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) Galveston, Texas office. He has over 32 years of government service and has held a Secret or higher security clearance for the majority of those years.
He filed the FOIA with Selective Service and has the original letter and the attachments. He first notified the Selective Service of his findings and they ignored the questions.
He can be reached via email at retirediceagent@sbcglobal.net.
Posted by Debbie at November 13, 2008 01:56 AM
We the Peons need to try to bring some heat down upon the bureaucrats at Selective Service who felt that their political priorities transcend their public service obligation to us, their employers.Hard. Lest this become an expected, tolerant behavior of our Federal employees.
Two weeks ago I emailed a district office of my state PA's DOT about a road hazard issue ("Are their laws against people blowing leaves into the roadway?"). That office responded quickly and then the department chief counsel's office answered quickly.
Based on that and other recent communications I can say that state people are politically careful, but they open and responsive to the public. By other measures I can say that FedGov is callous, ignorant and has an isolated bunker mentality. They are very much politically correct, but NOT politically careful.
FedGov employees are totally unworried about ever being held to account, being laid off. They never worry about keeping costs down. Whereas the State employees do worry about their department being cut back, and are concerned about keeping costs down.
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Since the requester now identifies himself as a retired federal agent, I believe he really did get the posted information back for his request.
It's hard to believe that the document would be so different in 1980, when the copy of one I have is clear and precise in 1992. I just don't believe the Selective Service form would have been sent to Obama without his Selective Service number on it somewhere.
Yet it is that Obama's regard for truth has been "Outcome Based". That is 'Truth' is what gets him into office.
Unless the US Supreme Court has the courage to take these issues on -- we will not longer be a republic. We will have become an officially despotic regime. Welcome to the circle of Hell known as 'Outcome Based' law.
“I believe Obama’s form is fake as it doesn’t even have his Selective Service number on it.”
The computer generated record of Obama’s registration does show his SS number on it, right at the top (61 1125539 1). This is consistent with other SSN issued in 1961. The center digits are random. The last digit is a checksum and can be any number between 1 and 9.
The handwritten registration form will of course NOT have his SSN on it, because he was just registering for the draft. The number is assigned later at the SSS processing data center. Then they send you your SSS (draft) card, which is how you find out your number.
The DLN number as I pointed out earlier is not something you would generally know. You would have to request your registration forms with the FOIA to obtain your DLN. It is the DLN that begins with the year you first registered. In Obama’s case this was 1980, so the first 2 DLN digits are 80. This is what the computer records also says: 8089 708 0632. So what is the problem?
The problem is the handprinted registration certificate number is MISSING the first digit, “8”. There should be 11 digits in the DLN. There are only 10 digits on the registration form. If this was a DLN from 2008, there would be also be 11 digits, NOT the 10 digits in the copy shown on Debbies’ site.
So either the correct DLN was printed without the leading 8, for 1980, or the first digit has been erased.
The background analysis of the registration form shows the background has in fact been whited out - right up to the leading DLN “0”, and in most other areas of the card. This is a photoshop operation. Someone has modified the photo Debbie put on her site. This photo was scanned from a paper document - so the government did not photoshop anything - the photo had to be first scanned from the FOIA original paper copy, and then the background digitally cleaned up, replacing the original paper scan background with pure digital white. CHECK THIS OUT YOURSELF. You use the “sharpen” function to bring up the background noise. White out areas have no noise by definition. The original background always has noise that is visible with enough sharpening (or noise differential enhancement).
The date stamp also was whited out where the “19” should be. The rest of the information appears to be valid. The publication date of the form is hard to resolve, but looks like SSS Form (Feb 80) to me. Not the Feb 90 date Debbie is speculating.
In other words the original form has been doctored to appear forged and/or in disagreement with the computer printout from the SSS, and this was done after it was scanned by the retired Texas govt worker. WHY and WHO would do this? If the two forms agreed in DLN and post office date stamp where the 19 was missing, there would be no story here. Is someone trying to create a story by doctoring with the document?
You can see this selective erasing of the background here:
http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=obamaselectiveservicereaf3.jpg
Just to follow up on the round stamp age (USPO) issue.
I have searched for old round stamps from the 1980’s and I have found them, for 1980, 1985, 1987, and 1988. They are from my own stamped certified return receipt slips when I mail in my tax returns with a CMRR, as I usually do.
First, there were MANY round date stamps with USPO used at least up to 1988. This is 17 years after the USPO became the USPS. Obviously the post office continued to use their old stamps for many years. Vickie551at was wrong. Also you will find NO personal ID marks on any of the date stamps. In one case the postal employee added his/her initials near the stamp, as in the Obama registration stamp. So Vickie551at was wrong here too. Makes me wonder if she ever worked for the post office at all.
So this shoots down one “theory” of DS. The USPO stamp was valid and common in 1980 and there is no ID number on the
stamp.
Here are my scans of my certified mail stamps. Only one is USPS, from 1988, while there are USPO stamps still in 1988. In one case the same post office was using BOTH USPO and USPS stamps in 1988.
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/7600/datestamp1980st2.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/8343/datestamp1988rc3.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9724/datestamp1985qu9.jpg
The SSS registration form used was also dated “SSS Form 1(Feb 80)” upon close inspection. And her argument about it being canceled is also nonsense. Only an order for future forms that was ~requested~ in Feb 80 was canceled. If this order had been printed the forms might have been dated Apr 80 or May 80, however long it would take to print the forms. Shoot down another of her arguments. And so it goes. The truth will come out eventually - and DS probably won’t like the truth.
Interesting that you were MIA from 10/25-11/13/2008, busy with the election and inauguration?
Perhaps he got aid for foreign students?
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