Posted on 08/23/2008 7:03:25 AM PDT by PurpleMountains
I would never criticize Mitt Romney for changing his mind about what the proper role of government is regarding abortion because I have changed my mind a couple of times over my lifetime. I also have changed my mind about how to deal with drugs.
"Thirty-five years into the “war on drugs”, the United States still has a huge drug abuse problem, with several million problem users of illicit drugs and about 15 million problem users of alcohol. Illicit drug-dealing industries take in about $50 billion per year. Much of the retail drug trade is flagrant, involving either open-air activity or identified, dedicated drug houses. Flagrant dealing creates violence and disorder, wrecking both the neighborhoods where it goes on and the lives of the dealers.
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Most murders in the United States are in a handful of counties. A very large portion of those murders are related to the illegal drug trade. The reason there is an illegal drug trade is because of the criminalization of drugs. Most police corruption also happens to occur in that same handful of counties for exactly the same reason. Huge amounts of money extorted in taxes are used to fund a fight against a situation that was created by the people who are doing the taxing. If A causes B and B causes C, it may be politically soothing to blame B, but it doesn’t get to the root of the cause.
And you know exactly jack about my neighborhood.
Very sorry to hear about the loss of your nephew, JDoutrider. Prayers up for your family.
I have lost friends to the same.
I’ve also lost friends to alcohol.
It’s going to happen whether these things are legal or not.
And it’s never easy, and it won’t ever get easy.
we would never legally sanction cocaine addicts using as much coke as they want because they would quickly and in significant numbers render themselves either permanently incapacitated or dead, all graphically depicted in front of the media's cameras.
Yes, but is there a downside too? Narcotics are some of the few influences in society combating dysgenic trends. The proliferation (i.e. breeding) of the stupid, lazy, and criminal under the socialist-nanny state is a serious long-term threat.
I don't think we can ever be truly free of the scum - our aim should be to promote policies leading to voluntary cultural segregation - via federalism and its even further local-level extensions. It is sort of like toxic waste (only more fundamental) - garbage WILL be produced no matter what, so the goal should be to truck it out of city limits (while simultaneously promoting policies which result in the long-term reduction of garbage).
If City A has no drug laws while City B has strict laws, where do the addicts move? If City B has strong property rights, castle doctrine, concealed carry, and a harsh justice system, while City A is a leftist paradise of suck, AIDS, and fail, where do the criminals go? If State A has lots of welfare programs, while State B does not, where do the parasites go? San Fran is full of homos, LA is full of illegals, DC is full of criminals (in several senses), Detroit is full of government parasites, Berkeley is full of vagrants and druggies, and Ithica is full of homos and addicts. See how it works? Weaken the collectivization and the polarization will be even more pronounced. Yes, this means forcing people to live with the consequences of their own democratic choices...instead of spreading the "joy" out for everyone. Ithica and Berkeley will self-destruct and their denizens will only have themselves to blame.
Let the liberals deal with the fruits of their social experiments. I have zero sympathy for people who harm themselves, and resent having my liberties shredded in some twisted collectivization project to force equality between unequal things.
Ours is a compassionate society that will not, ever, let the completely helpless wither and die in the street without trying as best as is administratively possible to care for them EVEN if their condition is 100% their own fault.
Count me out. I have compassion for victims, not criminals, druggies, drunks, whores, etc. We are not a compassionate society - ours is a BRAINLESS society of bleeding hearts with a keen interest in my wallet. Dying in the gutter as a direct result of one's own poor choices is nature's way of reinforcing for those watching the relationship between cause and effect. A few "zones of depravity" would not be a bad thing, IMO.
I will NEVER understand you ‘pro-drug’ abuse people. -Yes, abuse.
Instead of fighting tooth and nail for legalization, y’all should be trying to find out what it is that’s lacking in you -so that you NEED to be able to mess up your brains with this stuff. Why the obsession?
I love chocolate. WAY more than I should. But I DAMN well make sure I can live just FINE without it. It doesn’t rule me, or my decisions in life.
I resent the insult. I’ve never taken any recreational drug or even smoked a joint. I have also lost a daughter who became addicted to drugs and alcohol after being sexually molested when she was a child.
so explain then why u dont care about the tens of thousands murdered in the drug war.
Why do you eat chocolate? You don’t NEED it.
And why do so many people mess up their waistlines and health with it?
Most people don’t NEED drugs. They just like doing them and don’t want the government saying they aren’t responsible enough. Would you want the government saying you can’t eat chocolate because it can make you fat?
I personally know numerous doctors in math and science that trip routinely. They don’t abuse drugs, but use them to add to research perspective.
I know a prof with the highest prize in his field. He had a vision of his winning concept on drugs. Believe it or don’t believe it. It’s true.
I don’t trip but have no right to tell people not to if they aren’t hurting me.
Because your little fantasy gestapo doesn’t count.
What are you talking about? Do you deny that there is a war going on in the streets for control of the drug trade? Do you plan on backing up any of your beliefs on this thread?
There are two kinds of conservatives: Those that believe in Freedom, and those that believe in Freedom for themselves, but not for anybody else. You fall in the latter camp.
Yeah I doubt there are roaming bands of gestapo on the streets killing innocent people. Go back to listening to Alex Jones Mr Hedgehog.
When did I say that there were? Please give the exact quote or apologize.
I think you need to smoke another bowl of fruitloops and retire for the evening.
You used to be a pretty sane guy around here on religious topics, as well as others. It is too bad to see that you don’t have the basic moral fiber or decency to either provide a simple quote from me backing up your accusation, or apologize and retract your false accusation.
Who’s stopping you from smoking a joint in your home? Now when you get high on that joint and then get in your car, and start swerving all over the road, and kill somebody, you are infringing on others rights. I do understand your view, but which is the lesser of the two evils? I don’t understand what you mean by “stomping innocents rights to nail druggies”. How do you know there wouldn’t be an upsurge in use? Would you want to confront a person who’s high on pcp? Who is going to decide what would be legal or illegal? We have laws in place to maintain order, they are there for a reason, whether we like them or not.
Well, first of all, I'd rather be on the road with a guy on pot than a drunk.. but, i'd rather be on the road with neither. The main difference here is that you seem to think there will be a massive upsurge in usage if it is made legal, correct?
In college, one of my close friends got picked up for selling 2 grams of pot 1 week before graduating. Set up by someone in his class wanting a favor. Some thug smashed his head in while in their custody. Was it really necessary over a plant? The kid had a job lined up engineering for a major oil company.
Another kid I was close to was swinging from a tree after his name was in the paper. The gestapo got a warrant because someone saw kilos of “cocaine” through the window. It turned out to be vitamin supplements but the story in the paper said “street level dealer arrested” because he had a scale. The paper hinted that the DA was trying to make him “talk”. He was quietly let out the next day with no press. The paper never cleared him and never posted that he died. It was said to be a suicide but he told me bad people were threatening him and he was one of the happiest people I knew.
I knew 2 people personally. Who can add to the list?
And the last murder in this town was a crack head who thought he got ripped off and went to the house where he thought his dealer lived. He put a shotgun to the window right behind where the guy was sitting and blew his head all over the guys children.
Too bad it was the wromng house.
A)Do you mean like alcoholics and tobacco addicts currently do?
B) How can it be worse than it is now?
C) There are plenty of high functioning drug addicts who won't have to deal with the penalties of the law...Brett Favre, Rush Limbaugh, Betty Ford, etc.
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