Oliver Stone - an ultra-liberal pissing on America - movie preview

Black Entertainment USA ^ | July 29, 2008 | Michael Vass

[2ndDivisionVet]

It would seem that for some in the American ultra-liberal far left wing, otherwise defined as fanatics, it is not enough that Senator Obama stands a solid chance at winning the American Presidency. It is not enough that the major news media are fawning over Senator Obama – treating his recent trip overseas as if he were a sitting President, and refusing his opponent the opportunities they give him (ie. New York Times editorial). Even the fact that a movie highlighting the very liberal Democratic Presidential candidate is in post-production is not enough (and the film will be out just before the election – nice timing).

No for those like Oliver Stone something more must be done. Something over the top. Something insulting. Something that has never happened to a sitting President in any medium. Oliver Stone feels that now is the time to make up a movie about President Bush, while he is in office.

Why can’t Oliver Stone give up his citizenship, move to France (or Russia, or Iran), and make whatever slanted version of history he wants. I’m sure the Taliban, Al Quida and a few other “see an American, kill an American” hate groups will be more than happy to pack theaters for his biased derogatory slime on film.

Obviously I have a problem with the upcoming film W. My problem is not so much political as it is decency. I don’t care that Oliver Stone has a political agenda the size of the Empire State Building. I don’t care, as much, that he is seeking to portray historical fact in a manner more akin to a scifi movie about they year 300,000 A.D. I don’t care that he is going to get about as many people in the audience (stateside) as there are members of Moveon.org – I’m sure they will all go see it 2x.

What I care about is the power and prestige of the American Presidency and thus America. America is the President on an international level, whether we love or hate any particular President. And Oliver Stone is so obsessed with his personal hate that he doesn’t seem to care what damage he does. He seems willing to do anything to place a(nother) blemish on President Bush, even if it means hurting every American and every American President to come.

This film, a supposed biography of President Bush – that seems to be focused squarely on the past according to the trailer - looks dumb. What may be even more dumb is that it was greenlighted by a Hollywood studio, and that actors of ability have taken several prominent roles.

Josh Brolin, Elizabeth Banks, Ioann Gruffudd, Ellen, Burstyn, should all be embarrassed that they would do this to an American President. I really thing that James Cromwell, Richard Dreyfuss, and Scott Glenn should have known better. I mean they couldn’t wait until President Bush finished his term of office?

And as for Jeffery Wright and Thandie Newton I am at a loss. Do they believe that a movie built upon diminishing the office of the President of the United States is going to help their careers or in any way highlight African Americans (who are routinely seen and expected to be Democrats only) in a positive light? Colin Powell and Condelezza Rice have succeeded in becoming exceptional political figures, a fact that did not exist in any other Presidency before President Bush. And Wright and Newton believe that a film that insults America is the best way to immortalize these 2 accomplished, educated, Black figures? I think they deserve far better.

I will show this movie trailer clip. Because I do believe in Freedom of Speech and artistic expression. But I in no way suggest that anyone should see this film. I in no way support any actor’s portrayal in this film. I denounce what Oliver Stone has done, and am angry at Thandie Newton and Jeffery Wright.

Could I be wrong about the film? Until it is released sure, and it is mathematically probable that I can fly, piss on the sun and put it out, and/or suddenly have a stroke and thus believe that Code Pink, Berkley, and San Francisco know what they are doing. But back in the real world, Oliver Stone is doing a wretched thing.

Imagine if someone did a hatchet job on President Clinton and Hillary back when he was in office while doing Ms. Lewinsky with a cigar; the Democrats and Hollywood would be raging and the nation embarrassed. How is this different?

[2ndDivisionVet]

Wow!

[paudio]

Do they really think movie like this wil sway voters to vote for Democrat?

[rabidralph]

Here's the trailer to the movie on YouTube.

[2ndDivisionVet]

PING!

[Old Sarge]

The movies, “Most Wanted”, and “The Jackal”, both made during the Clinton years, dealt with assassins.

In both cases it was the First Lady that was the target.

Maybe Hollywood back then knew something?

[Reagan Man]

Films like “The Reagan's” was like watching a comic book. While crap like Fahrenheit 911 made a whole lot of money appealing to left wing, it wasn't accepted by most Americans as legitimate or factual.

Its a free country and if Oliver Stoned wants to make a dumb movie about Dubya to appeal to the left wing, so what. JFK and Nixon weren't received well at all. Neither will this trash.

[Biblebelter]

Oliver Stone is a LOSER. But that said, Jorge Bush is NO prize. He is much like his No Child Left Behind, Prescription Drug, and Amnesty buddy Teddy Kennedy. They both misspent their youth in varying degrees of a drunken stupor. Most of us average Joes who misspent our youths in such a way would have been condemned to a miserable fate. But both of these boys, had the money and the family prestige to propel them into successful political careers. Obviously, the Kennedy boy's drunkedness led to the death of a political groupie and hangeron named Mary Jo Kopechne. But Jorge's sins were almost as equally pathetic, he took his sister for a ride in a drunken stupor which he was fortunate ended only in a DUI.

The only story here is that if you are a Republican, you moral failings will be fodder for a Hollywood hit job.

There will be no films about a louse like Joseph Kennedy Sr., JFK, or Teddy Kennedy.

When the American political scene will have seen their last of guys and girls named Kennedy and Bush will not be TOO soon.

[Bernard Marx]

The only story here is that if you are a Republican, you moral failings will be fodder for a Hollywood hit job.

True. What burns me is that these films aren't considered political advertising. They should be subject to the same financial restrictions as other campaign contributions.

I don't know about the others but Cromwell and Dreyfuss are both functional communists as is Stone. It grinds me that these schmucks coyly call their political propaganda "art" and get away with it.

[mkleesma]

How much do you want to bet that it will bomb, bomb big time, just like all the anti-American films of late?
Hollywood just doesn’t get it...but they will, as soon as it hits them in the wallet.
Then guys like Stone will be history.

[weegee]

If he chooses to ridicule Bush for abusing illegal drugs and drunk driving an equal time warning would be only FAIR to point out that Mr. Oliver Stoned has been charged with the same offenses.

And the Golden Child has confessed in one of his 2 autobiographies to using pot and cocaine.

So how do digs at Bush’s alleged drug use play with Stone’s fans and Obama’s fans?

[swatbuznik]

How much do you want to bet that it will bomb, bomb big time, just like all the anti-American films of late?

Can we add "Swing Vote" to this list. It couldn't be anything BUT a biased film.

[xp38]

I went to a freebie swing vote advance screening last night. I walked out after 10 minutes. Your prediction is confirmed.

[Eric Blair 2084]

This morning the wife had The View on with Matt Hasselbacks’ wife arguing with 2 yentas and Whoopie.

We know what this will be.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.

[weegee]

I had a sense of what that film was about and passed on the free passes.

I seriously doubt that this film is a 10 in ANYONE’s book but as the Left biases the ratings up and down on Yahoo news articles to raise up or supress certain stories, and they DUpe the public by DUmping on polls, so they also manipulate IMDB ratings.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1027862/ratings

183 IMDb users have given a weighted average vote of 6.5 / 10

63 gave it a 10 rating. 70 gave it a 0 rating.

I’d rarely use ZERO but Masked and Anonymous was one of those kind of films. I walked out after 90 minutes even though I then had to find someplace to kill time. I’d rather watch my laundry in the spin cycle for 30 minutes.

Also 70 votes for this film are by people who ID as Non-us users. Frankly anyone who is registered with IMDB can vote even if they haven’t seen the movie in question.

[xp38]

Here is what I saw in the roughly first 10 minutes that made me walkout. It is election day. We are introduced to the incumbent Republican President comparing the whiteness of his teeth on some tooth whiteness scale who is played by Kelsey Grammar. Basically it's Frasier as President. He has some political consultant who is calling his campaign workers to bus in some tall blond Aryan types to scare away the Jewish voters in Florida and to scare the religious right voters to get off the fence in Ohio. Profanity is mixed in with his orders. The dim challenger is played by Dennis Hopper and is called Greenleaf whose campaign manager slams Fox news and only wants to talk issues. Main star is a drunk screwup idiot single dad played by Costner who is not interested in politics but has a smart daughter who is and registered him to vote. While driving to her to school he mentions if she gets sick he will have to sell his blood. The tone of the film was not subtle. So I am thinking do I want to sit through another 90 minutes or so of this? I bolted and went and did something useful....grocery shopping.

[Borges]

The problem is who gets to decide which way a particular work of fiction leans? History is filled with Art that both sides of the political spectrum think is for/against them. there are still people who think outspoken Socialist George Orwell was a Conservative.

[Borges]

I think IMDB only counts votes from regular voters in their rankings. Everyone can vote but not every vote ‘counts’.

[Bernard Marx]

Yeah, there’s probably no such thing as a Marxist anti-American movie. It’s all just a matter of “artistic” judgment. By the way, did you catch Jane Fonda’s “The China Syndrome” in first run? Many of us interpreted it as an anti-nuclear power sermon back in the day. Someone decided to dust it off and play it on cable this morning during the Democrat Convention. It’s probably just a coincidence and I’m sure the movie has another “artistic” interpretation.

[Borges]

'The China Syndrome' is an obvious example. And I don't know how it's 'Jane Fonda's' since she was simply a performer in a film written, directed and produced by others. It's more Michael Douglas's.

Then there are films like Oliver Stone's ‘Nixon’ which has been looked at from various sides. Some liberal critics actually thought it was sympathetic to Nixon. Who gets to decide what the ‘point’ is? If you want to look at films that way how about episodes of TV shows? Books? Song lyrics?