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A Freeper rebuttal to AJ Strata's claim of debunking the Obama Birthgate doubters, part 1!
PA Times | 7/7/08 | Pissant

Posted on 07/07/2008 4:57:52 PM PDT by pissant

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To: RobRoy
If his mom was a citizen, that’s good enough for me. In case nobody noticed, I am more of a “spirit of the law” than a “letter of the law” sort of guy.

The "spirit of the law", that is the Constitutional provision, was to avoid foreign entanglements/interference. If some foreign "prince", "potentate" or just plain politician, took a US citizen for a bride, with or without the normal niceties such as consent, and 40 years later inserted that kid into American political circles, that would provide a powerful fulcrum to influence US policies in the world. That's why the original provisions required either both parents, or the just the father, to be (a) US citizen(s), if the child was born overseas. I don't think they thought about the sort of drive by sperm donor that BHO Sr. proved to be, but the principal is the same, foreign influence at the highest level of the US government is to be avoided, and thus the requirement that the President be a Natural born citizen.

Obama already has far to much foreign influence, in George Soros, without even considering his sizable set of foreign relatives who are or are descended from his half siblings, plus that "grandma Sarah" who is one of his grandfather's wives, but not the mother of BHO Sr. If, in addition to all that he were technically not "natural born", then he should not be eligible to become President. The original 1790 provisions were intended to cover the case of US Citizens who happened to be abroad at the time the child's birth, but whose loyalty remained to the US. McCain is in that sort of situation, but Obama is not. His mother only lived in the US for a few years after his birth, took another foreign husband after even fewer years, and still did not return to the US, rather sending her child to be raised by her parents. Such a person must have conflicted loyalties, especially if he considered that stepfather as "father" for many of his most formative years.

81 posted on 07/08/2008 4:23:47 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Grampa Dave
Did we see an official copy of Kerry’s 180? No

Actually we probably did see copies of two authentic SF-180s. They were very poorly executed. Each released his military records to a "tame" reporter, not to the general public, nor to reporters in general. A very dishonest tactic, which failed.

82 posted on 07/08/2008 4:26:56 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

“Actually we probably did see copies of two authentic SF-180s. They were very poorly executed. Each released his military records to a “tame” reporter, not to the general public, nor to reporters in general. A very dishonest tactic, which failed.”

Thanks for the clarification.


83 posted on 07/08/2008 4:43:21 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (America's Mugabe, the Obamination.will bring Mugabe Change to America!)
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To: pissant

bttt


84 posted on 07/08/2008 5:12:14 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Squantos

This you tube link has an excellent discussion of what many of us have discussed here on Free Republican:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03_ZHGAJxSQ&NR=1


85 posted on 07/08/2008 6:01:12 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (America's Mugabe, the Obamination.will bring Mugabe Change to America!)
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To: Grampa Dave

Thanks Dave .......made me a copy with this !

http://keepvid.com/


86 posted on 07/09/2008 3:22:34 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos

The vid is gone already? What was in it?


87 posted on 07/09/2008 5:45:27 AM PDT by JohnnyP
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To: JohnnyP

never mind, it’s working now.


88 posted on 07/09/2008 5:53:04 AM PDT by JohnnyP
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To: pissant

Very nice job! Could not have done it any better.

BTW, I tried to sign onto AJStrata’s blabber blog, using my WordPress account, but it didn’t work.

Just as well.

The three things that I was going to tell him was that (1) he’s full of crap, (2) that he cannot read above the 4th grade level, and (3) that he totally misrepresented what I wrote in my first post and never read the other ten posts I made after it.

Then I thought, “Nah, I’ll let someone else do the job for me.”

Here’s the bottom line:

There is ONE, and only ONE, way that the Kos image got to look the way it did. I know what it is because I’ve exhausted all of the other ways it might been made.

I’ve got over 340 images of COLB’s on my hard drive, so trust me when I say that I tried every way possible to recreate it, and only one method worked.

In short, it absolutely, positively, without question, requires changing the text on whatever was the original image. There is no other way.

By “original,” I mean the image that no one has ever seen, other than the person who made it what it is today.

The key to it all, is HOW it was done. The answer will surprise a lot of people, especially the blow-hards like AJStrata.

That’s what I’ve said since Day One, and that’s what I’m prepared to prove when the time comes.

America still has not seen a true copy of Barack Obama’s birth record, and if there’s anyone who says we have in this image, ask them if they are willing to bet on it, and if they say, “yes,” take the bet!


89 posted on 07/12/2008 2:55:55 PM PDT by Polarik (obama, "birth certifcate")
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To: Polarik; LucyT; freespirited; Calpernia; txflake; SE Mom; BossLady

Thanks Polarik. I have zero doubt that the thing is a forgery.


90 posted on 07/12/2008 3:58:04 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: SatinDoll

Gee, you don’t say!


91 posted on 07/12/2008 6:52:22 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: SatinDoll

If those executables came into your system under one of the Vundo Trojan variations, just deleting those two files won’t do it. The Vundo doesn’t have an automatic deletion process to date and will restore itself.


92 posted on 07/12/2008 6:56:32 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Grampa Dave

>>>>My ISP provides Norton

Big time FYI:

http://blog.barofintegrity.us/2008/02/21/got-norton—get-rid-of-it.aspx
Got Norton? Get Rid of It!


93 posted on 07/12/2008 7:00:22 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Calpernia

Thanks for the information. Kid genius loves challenges, only this one is teeing him off. I’m sure he’ll figure it out.


94 posted on 07/12/2008 9:23:26 PM PDT by SatinDoll (Desperately desiring a conservative government.)
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To: pissant

Good job!!! Zing me for Part Deux! ;)


95 posted on 07/12/2008 9:58:20 PM PDT by BossLady ("People will do anything, no matter how absurd, in order to avoid facing their own soul" - Carl Jung)
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To: Polarik

and if there’s anyone who says we have in this image, ask them if they are willing to bet on it, and if they say, “yes,” take the bet!
***I suggested such a contract at Intrade. The email address is Markets@intrade.com. Haven’t heard from them so far.


96 posted on 07/12/2008 10:02:44 PM PDT by Kevmo (A person's a person, no matter how small. ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Squantos
One more time...

Hawaii does not print copies of anyone's birth certificate anymore. Unfortunately, the "Certification of Live Birth," a computer-generated document, has totally replaced it.

97 posted on 07/13/2008 4:35:38 PM PDT by Polarik (obama, Iran)
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To: Polarik

I said that.......new document vs a copy.


98 posted on 07/13/2008 5:06:05 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: pissant
Here's the rebuttal to AJ that I was composing before I saw yours.

It might provide you with some additional ideas for Part II.

-------------Rebuttal to AJStrata's strident statements----------

First, never trust a guy who cannot even spell your name correctly. It's POLARIK, not POLIRAK, Einstein. OK, let's review what AJ said,

"Days ago I looked into the forged Obama Birth Certificate Myth and realized it was all BS. ...let me point to one of these ‘experts’ who did a poor job of examining the documents in the first place, a person called Polirak over at Town Hall."

The gall of calling my work, "Poor," is the kettle calling the pot black. The dill weed cannot even spell my name correctly.

Next, let's look at his earth-shaking discoveries:

"Before we get into this I want to share what I discovered when I looked into these files, before I even began to look around the blogosphere. First I noted the certificate was a recent production that is made by a laser printer and is on a form put in place in 2001 (look at the lower right hand corner of any version of the certificate for this information)."

Wow...ya think? Congratulations, you can read at a fourth grade level.

He rambles on

"I also noted a stamped date from the back which bled through on the two version (one on the DailyKos and one on the Obama campaign site) which shows this modern version was produced around Jun 6 2007."

Has anyone NOT seen this?? BTW, what did AJ mean by "modern version?" "Modern version" of what, exactly? Remember, we're looking at a JPG that has been graphically altered, and not an original, duly certified paper document -- whose ownership has never been determined.

He continues...

"I discovered 2 dots from the laser printer that can be found on all three files (some folks just recently discovered the large one next to the image of the state seal)"

Well, there ya go. Two dots. Proof positive that something went through a laser printer. So far, you've failed to say what is that "something."

Back to the blob...er...blog:

I could detect the impression of the state seal stamp and signature area on two of the files.

With your naked eye? B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T! No way. Either he's lying through his teeth, he has Superman's vision, OR, he was looking at it under image enhancement like the rest of us. Yes, there are marks that can be seen, but to say that they conclusively belong to the Seal is pure speculation.

I'll skip the previous parts and get to the really POOR part:

In my analysis I find the Kos version to be the highest quality image file of the original document, produced in Jun of 2007 by the state of Hawaii.

Lastly, why is the first Kos image posting a direct reduction of their second, larger one?

Hmm...I should stop right here and just forget about answering this upstart. But, he cannot seem to stop cracking on me.

Now, his eyes are turning brown from this crap.

I have been putting off this posting on this matter because there has never been anything ‘discovered’ that proved a forgery, but simply proved people were running wild with their imaginations. Polarik provides the best example of this.

Oh, thank you, Obi-Wan...we are so freakin' orgasmic that you didn't put this matter off any longer.

On 6/20/08 the ‘expert’ Polarik claimed this certificate clearly produced a year ago was a forgery of an original from 1961, which Barack Obama claimed he had in one of his books from years ago.

I never said anything of the sort. Once again, he's dissing me. Also, like I said. There's no point in debating with someone who cannot even read what I wrote.

Anyway, Mr. AlStrata's post was dated July 6, more than two weeks after my post appeared, and apparently he never read any of the ten subsequent posts on my blog before he did his analysis, whether intentionally or not.

Had he bothered to check back frequently, he might have been able to see -- if he read it carefully -- that I corrected my statement about the OHSM 1.1 after talking directly with Vital Statistics at the Department of Health in Hawaii.

What I'd like him to explain is why, on GENUINE COLB images -- those from DeCosta, Tomoyasu, Smith, and a fourth I was sent in private, have green pixels between the characters, when none are found between the characters on the images he describes as "laser print?"

HINT: It ain't "anti-aliasing," to be sure.

AJ made the statement that "Inspection of the files shows consistent anti-aliasing across all letters and images (e.g., the state seal in the middle). Consistent anti-aliasing across the document tells me this was induced when the document was originally printed - not from later manipulation," and my response is him is that he does not know what the Hell he's talking about, and his credibility is seriously in doubt -- given the comment about "seeing the seal and the signature stamp mentioned above."

The bottom line is that ALL of the text fields, field headers and data, are NOT, repeat, NOT the result of any laser in existence. It is obvious that AJStridex (sic) has not seen the REAL COLB's mentioned on my blog.

The only thing AJ has "proven" is that he can be really annoying and condescending.

99 posted on 07/13/2008 6:23:36 PM PDT by Polarik (obama, birth certificate)
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To: pissant

I doubt Obama is going to produce his birth certificate without any real pressure. What McCain’s campaign manager needs to do is release a forged version of some document for McCain on the web. Get the media in a frenzy over it. Then he can say, “I’ll produce my genuine copy if Obama produces his genuine birth certificate.” And since the whole thing would be a ploy, the McCain camp would know ahead of time that they have the real document and can let the thing generate tons of publicity. In the end, they know they have the proof.


100 posted on 07/13/2008 9:51:02 PM PDT by Kevmo (A person's a person, no matter how small. ~Horton Hears a Who)
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