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To: DrC; browardchad
I have searched the pdf for all instances of “kenya” and found no reference to the alleged pre-birth visit.

Numerous posters have pointed out that this is a brand new “factoid” and the original poster has not responded to repeated queries regarding a source.

Whether the poster was mistaken or playing games, at this juncture, I’m not holding my breath that this claim can be validated. There’s way too many posters scrubbing every inch of the available postings about BHO for this enormously significant factoid to have been missed for so long. The poster introduced it as a throwaway line, NOT as a thermonuclear “find” that would dramatically shift the burden of proof to BHO regarding to location of his birth.

I just got a note from the proprietor of the original site that asks me to refile one of the requests on a more current thread--I will do that if I can figure out how to do so.

I will tell both of you, having been with clients in major litigation, you assume that someone else will have found something; we have had things in documents come out from a paralegal who was marking them as exhibits during the trial that have been overlooked by ten or fifteen high priced and high powered lawyers.

On the other hand, difficult to see where this would have come from that we haven't seen it.

Browardchad should know that we have been looking at this since January. In the early going, there was stuff in the African periodicals, some of them in English, that has been scrubbed. Those periodicals recited interviews with the Missionaries that got on the BOAC flight on which Stanley Ann was rejected; and with Sarah and the two half-siblings who claimed to have been physically present at Obama's birth in Kenya.

There is other stuff that combined adds up to a fair inference that he was in fact born in Kenya.

And if not, Stanley Ann's mother really knows--it ought to be a simple task to respond to the birth location argument with real evidence. Why would they use a fraudulent birth certificate?

4,509 posted on 08/08/2008 11:03:12 AM PDT by David (...)
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To: David

Hasn’t it been established that Kenya does not offer dual-citizenship? Which would make the statement at the Rocky Mountain News besides the point- regardless of where they received the info.


4,511 posted on 08/08/2008 11:18:24 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: David

“Why would they use a fraudulent birth certificate?”

I don’t know, but consider a Kenya birth to be far less likely than alternative explanations such as Canadian birth simply because of the logistics and expense—whether these apply to BHO in utero or as an infant only a few days old.

I fear this 72 hours claim may well have emerged from the “echo chamber.” Isn’t it YOUR theory that Ann went to Kenya only for a brief time (measured in days rather than weeks or months)? We have reports of friends of Ann’s saying she was less visible socially during spring 1962, but no one asserts she completely disappeared. I thought you or someone else here—I’m sure not planning to scour thousands of posts—claimed something to the effect that it was Kenyan tradition to be with parental family and/or Barack Senior insisted on this trip to ensure his son’s Kenyan citizenship. If the latter was the motivation, his subsequent abandonment of BHO is very hard to explain. A father who sees his son but once in his life seems quite the opposite of a person who would undergo the absurd expense (while a student!) to have his “wife” shipped back to Africa for the birth.

I haven’t seen the accounts of relatives claiming to have seen BHO born in Africa, but we do know that some African relatives confused Barack Senior’s 3rd wife for Ann when she suddenly showed up in Africa allegedly having followed him on her own accord from Harvard. Ann likewise was confused with Toot, who in fact was her (great?) grandmother. So in light of the unreliability of eyewitnesses to contemporaneous events, I have to take 3 decade-old memories (especially if they are adult memories of childhood incidents) with a grain of salt. I can’t claim it’s in any way been proven BHO wasn’t born in Kenya, but the evidence at hand to date is awfully thin.

So it wouldn’t surprise me at all if this poster simply read some speculation here about a short trip to Africa for the birth, misinterpreted it as something being reported from one of BHO’s books, converted “several days” to 72 hours, and proceeded to post that assertion on the board. As I indicated in an earlier post, if that poster’s intent had been to broadcast a startling new finding, much more would have been made about where s/he found the factoid.


4,513 posted on 08/08/2008 11:32:26 AM PDT by DrC
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To: David; DrC
I just got a note from the proprietor of the original site that asks me to refile one of the requests on a more current thread--I will do that if I can figure out how to do so.

And what is the name of "the original site," David? Why not post that "note" here?

Browardchad should know that we have been looking at this since January. In the early going, there was stuff in the African periodicals, some of them in English, that has been scrubbed. Those periodicals recited interviews with the Missionaries that got on the BOAC flight on which Stanley Ann was rejected; and with Sarah and the two half-siblings who claimed to have been physically present at Obama's birth in Kenya.

And what sites, specifically, were they "scrubbed" from, David?

There is other stuff that combined adds up to a fair inference that he was in fact born in Kenya.

And what is that other "stuff," David, besides your own theory?

And if not, Stanley Ann's mother really knows--it ought to be a simple task to respond to the birth location argument with real evidence. Why would they use a fraudulent birth certificate?

This isn't about a "faudulent birth certificate," as you well know. It may very well be fraudulent. It's about your insistance, exclusive of all other theories, that the "faudulent birth certificate" indicates that Obama was born in Kenya -- but you have never come up with links or other evidence to prove, or even bolster, your claim, other than the ever elusive "scrubbed" posts.

And by the way, David, if you insert a space after a semicolon when posting to multiple ID's, it doesn't show up in the second poster's comment screen. I came upon this post by accident.

 

4,538 posted on 08/08/2008 5:21:37 PM PDT by browardchad
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To: David

In the early going, there was stuff in the African periodicals, some of them in English, that has been scrubbed. Those periodicals recited interviews with the Missionaries that got on the BOAC flight on which Stanley Ann was rejected; and with Sarah and the two half-siblings who claimed to have been physically present at Obama’s birth in Kenya.

And if not, Stanley Ann’s mother really knows—it ought to be a simple task to respond to the birth location argument with real evidence.

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Seems like this is the core of the matter. So what if the Dems say screw it and keep going with the nomination. Are we looking at this being taken to the Supremes?


4,642 posted on 08/09/2008 8:50:54 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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