The real point of looking at these photos is this.
The issue about Obama's place of birth has been in circulation for many years--I haven't researched the question but I believe it was an issue in all of his earlier political campaigns. He has stonewalled the inquiry. As his political goals came to include the presidency, the inquiry became a little more intense. Articles suggesting that there was live testimony from Sarah (one of his father's other wives) and two half siblings that they were present when he was born in Kenya. The English versions of those stories have been removed from the web and although I have been told that some versions in Africa publications still exist, I am not sufficiently sophisticated to search for them. Also, there is a report out (Wayne Madsen) that documents demonstrating his birth in Kenya have been obtained. To date, none of that evidence has reached the public debate and obviously, the Obama campaign will continue to use its best efforts to control it--access to all of the individuals who have first hand knowledge (including his grandmother--his mother's mother) has been effectively cut off.
In this kind of inquiry, collateral facts tend to focus the investigation. The airport pictures are evidence on the time line; both with respect to the birth location and marriage issues with respect to Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham.
Obama is on the record as having characterized the airport picture of his mother and Obama Sr. as a "wedding picture". The mother is on the record under oath in her divorce proceeding that they were married on Maui. Obama fixes the date at February 2, 1961.
In the picture, they are in a departure area--ticketing and baggage check in, at the Honolulu Airport. Christmas decorations are still up. No way to be precise but you would expect Christmas decorations in public places to be gone by the end of December or early January. Way too early to be leaving to go to Maui for a wedding a month later.
There is no record of the marriage in Maui or anywhere else that has been searched to date.
So, if Obama's description of the wedding picture can be supported, it is at least a reasonable inference that they are leaving for a distant area where the marriage (given the existence of Obama Sr.'s other wives) would be legal--probably Kenya.
And that would then become part of a timeline that placed the mother in Kenya, pregnant, prior to the birth. It would leave you looking for information in a much shorter time period where your last real fact left the mother in Kenya.
>>>although I have been told that some versions in Africa publications still exist
Those were sanitized within a 2 week time also, David.
David can you give me the source where Obama says that? I must have missed it.
I was the one who first posted that picture on this thread and mistakenly labeled it their wedding picture. I have since apologized for doing so, as it has caused a snow storm of speculation. If you have a source in one of Obama's books or an article where he is actually quoted as saying that please let me know.
The photo of Obama Sr. and allegedly Obama Jr. at the airport comes to us “courtesy of Barak Obama”. See Photo 7 here:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/070323obama-early-photogallery,0,5458360.photogallery
We have established that both of the airport photos were taken at the same time and in the same terminal. Therefore if he supplied the “wedding photo” and has titled it himself, how can he justify the timeline?
“The issue about Obama’s place of birth has been in circulation for many years—I haven’t researched the question but I believe it was an issue in all of his earlier political campaigns.”
That is not true. The earlier false claims were that Obama wasnt a natural born US citizen since hawaii wasnt a state. Never mind that hawaii *was* a State in 1961 and every person born in Hawaii since *1900* was a natural-born US citizen.
“He has stonewalled the inquiry.”
That is not true. There is nothing to stonewall. Barack Obama was born in Honolulu Hawaii and is therefore a natural-born US citizen. It’s been on his passports his whole life, he has seen his birth cert. and it says Honolulu Hawaii is his place of birth. Its really not complicated.
The only fly in the ointment right now is that some dont see sufficient proof in the COLB that he shared.
Some even claim its a fake, but the evidence put forward to support that claim is very weak.
” As his political goals came to include the presidency, the inquiry became a little more intense.”
Um, not really.
“Articles suggesting that there was live testimony from Sarah (one of his father’s other wives) and two half siblings that they were present when he was born in Kenya.”
Um, no. We’ve had second-hand-source claims. This has been a particular and unusual claim on this thread and a few other rumor sites, but that is all.
Such claims, if they exist (more likely due to a confusion than anything else), utterly and totally contradict what’s in barack’s bios, his “Dreams of My Father”, and other earlier sources, including his passport, almost certainly. As such, they defy credulity, as they would require multiple conspiratorial acts of fraud and/or dishonesty. How did Barack Obama get a US passport if he was not born exactly where and when this document says he was born?
http://www.barackobama.com/images/fts/BO_birthcert.jpg
“The airport pictures are evidence on the time line; both with respect to the birth location and marriage issues with respect to Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham.”
They are evidence of the visit Obama Sr made to Barack and Ann in Christmas 1971, as a proper analysis of the pictures concludes that they were taken at Honolulu airport at Christmastime 1971, during a visit that Barack Jr wrote about in “Dreams of my father”.
“Obama is on the record as having characterized the airport picture of his mother and Obama Sr. as a “wedding picture”.”
No he’s not, that is another misunderstanding of texts and captions. Who takes wedding pictures in airports anyway?
“The mother is on the record under oath in her divorce proceeding that they were married on Maui. Obama fixes the date at February 2, 1961.” Not Obama, reporting that reporting on Ann Dunham’s divorce filing from 1964.
“No way to be precise but you would expect Christmas decorations in public places to be gone by the end of December or early January. Way too early to be leaving to go to Maui for a wedding a month later.” - Correct. All the more reason to reject this nutty theory, as you dont see christmas tree decorations in early february, and you dont have Barack Jr in the picture at aged 10, and you dont have a Barack Sr looking like he’s in his mid-30s, when he was 23 or so in 1961. It’s all fatally wrong and the pictures are definitely from 1971.
“So, if Obama’s description of the wedding picture can be supported, it is at least a reasonable inference that they are leaving for a distant area where the marriage (given the existence of Obama Sr.’s other wives) would be legal—probably Kenya.” - You have the problem of a divorce filing that mentions marriage in Maui. You have the problem that there is nothing in the record indicating any such event; just your inventive suppositions.
You have the problem of why Barack Jr is aged 10 in this photo set supposedly taken in 1961.
We have public reports that say a marriage took place on Feb 2, 1961 and a birth took place on Aug 4, 1961 in Honolulu Hawaii. This 18 year old college student lacked the means to afford international travel, yet on the basis of a single photo, which can only be placed outside the 1971 timeframe by pretending Barack Jr is not there, you concoct a whole alternate reality. Collateral facts indeed. You’ve taken one photo, mistaken the time period and built a whole zero evidence fairy tale around it.
Such wisps as: “Also, there is a report out (Wayne Madsen) that documents demonstrating his birth in Kenya have been obtained.” There are no reports. There are reports of reports of reports, an attempt to spin up a conspiracy theory out of the ether of poorly written sentences and mistakes.
Let’s see the solid ground of fact before you build castles on top of them. As of now, it looks like castles in the air.
