The Universe

Myself | 05/29/08 | Richard Jr.

[tricky_k_1972]

Looking up to the stars tonight, though the clouds and admiring the Creators work, the Great Engineer, the Creator of all the universe, I can't help but admire his creation and all that it implies.

He gave us such a large playground, and if our scientists have interpreted his works correctly, an ever expanding playground.

How can we not work to discover his works, his Creation, and how can we not "Read" and "Study" his works in the vast "Teaching" we call his creation, his universe.

"Be as smart and cunning as the serpent", he has called us to be.

I am in utter awe of His vastness.

I feel sorrow and pity for those whom wish to limit the Creators power to this lonely and small part of the universe he created.

To think that he created all of this simply for us to gaze upon and not explore, to not question, to simply live and die (granted with a place in the Heavens) and not discover his achievements, is a sin and perhaps one of the greatest sins, the sin of ignorance of GOD.

Did he create all of this, the entire universe, for us to remain ignorant of his teachings, for us to ignore his written word in the engineering of the world and universe around us.

I love my God and my Creator in full, and therefore I must work to explore and understand his word in the creation around us.

To not do so is to ignore the word of God.

[tricky_k_1972]

The Great Engineer.

[sinanju]

Never could figure why anyone would think one would have to be anti-science to be religious.

[sagar]

“Never could figure why anyone would think one would have to be anti-science to be religious”

A lot of religious people pretend that the religious scriptures are scientific and answer scientific questions.

[tricky_k_1972]

"A lot of religious people pretend that the religious scriptures are scientific and answer scientific questions."

I think as a corollary is that some "religious" people think that to study science is in some way working against The Almighty,

Where as I believe, to not study science, to not study engineering is to ignore the word of God.

God created the Universe, His Word is written upon it, to ignore His Work is to ignore God.

[LiteKeeper]

SITREP

[hosepipe]

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap080520.html

That pic is a pic NOT OF Stars but of GALAXYS.. the whole picture is of GALAXYS.. The distance between each of them is awe inspiring.. as is the distance accross each one.. It amazes me the potential size of this Universe.. I’m not sure I can even compute/grasp it in my head.. What thinking about Stars in the Milky Way(while observing it) did to my mind when I was young.... THIS picture does now.. To think each light in this picture is a Galaxy.. an entire Galaxy... this site has other pictures of multi-galaxys..

[dr_lew]

I note this picture is linked at the genchemist site to an article on "Thermodyanmics and systems" (sic), which contains a comment about the 2nd Law and Evolution. Would I be correct in surmising that you came across it while searching this topic?

[tricky_k_1972]

"I note this picture is linked at the genchemist site to an article on "Thermodyanmics and systems" (sic), which contains a comment about the 2nd Law and Evolution. Would I be correct in surmising that you came across it while searching this topic?"

Nope sorry, I just did an image search for "universe" and saw the picture and liked it, didn't bother to read the topic, I was to interested in getting my thoughts down after looking up at the stars and wanted to have a pic to go with it.

[tricky_k_1972]

Since some have decided to “Go There” which was not my intention at all, let me explain further thoughts:

I want to add, God and only God created the universe.

Nothing he created is a lie.

God does not deceive and therefore his creation is not a deception, it is, in fact, the literal word of God.

The Bible and the Universe are both his creations and neither of his creations can contradict each other, they both are the Word and God does not deceive.

The Catholic Church at one time did not want lay people to read the bible, but only to receive the word from those whom were trained by them to interpret it.

Similarly there are those within the Protestant faith that wish to have science viewed only through the filter of their understanding of the Biblical Word of God(which is ironic considering Galileo was a Catholic)as if they are frightened of His Creation's Word contradicting his Biblical Word.

The Universe was created by God.

The Bible was given to man from God.

God does not lie nor does God deceive.

Neither the Biblical Word nor The Universe are lies nor are they deceptions, any disagreement that is perceived is merely Man's deception of himself or a misinterpretation of EITHER The Biblical Word or the Universe.

[Lancey Howard]

Neither the Biblical Word nor The Universe are lies nor are they deceptions, any disagreement that is perceived is merely Man's deception of himself or a misinterpretation of EITHER The Biblical Word or the Universe.

Post of the month.

[LetTruthBeTold]

The Bible is by no means science book, but there are hints to the things that science has learned. The universe is ever expanding as said in the bible

Psalm 104:2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:

Words that end in est or eth in the bible mean continual

The heavens are expanding and Einstein related space to fabric.

[SouthDixie]

Amen.

[IDontLikeToPayTaxes]

From wikipedia:

The observable universe contains about 3 to 7 × 1022 stars (30 to 70 Billion Trillion stars), organized in more than 80 billion galaxies.

[Alamo-Girl]

It amazes me the potential size of this Universe..

And in both directions - large and small.

I strongly agree with Wigner's observation of the unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics in the natural sciences. To me, it is like God's copyright notice on the cosmos:

The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. [There is] no speech nor language, [where] their voice is not heard. - Psalms 19:1-3

And in this instance I suggest that "large" and "small" of the universe is a matter of the perspective of the observer, what we would call the "observer problem." For those who haven't seen this, click on the following as an illustration of perspective:

Powers of Ten

For instance, P.S. Wesson's theory of Five Dimensional Reality and Two Times suggests that what we observe in four dimensional space/time and call "particles" could be as little as a single particle in a fifth time-like dimension multiply imaged 10⁸⁰ times. IOW, one particle in a time-like dimension would cause the illusion of the universe (four dimensional physical reality) to those of us "anchored" here.

And again, Max Tegmark's Level IV Parallel Universe model is the only closed cosmological model known to me. He posits that what we observe to be "real" as observers in four dimensional space/time are actually mathematical structures which really exist outside of space and time:

A mathematical structure is an abstract, immutable entity existing outside of space and time. If history were a movie, the structure would correspond not to a single frame of it but to the entire videotape. Consider, for example, a world made up of pointlike particles moving around in three-dimensional space. In four-dimensional spacetime — the bird perspective — these particle trajectories resemble a tangle of spaghetti. If the frog sees a particle moving with constant velocity, the bird sees a straight strand of uncooked spaghetti. If the frog sees a pair of orbiting particles, the bird sees two spaghetti strands intertwined like a double helix. To the frog, the world is described by Newton’s laws of motion and gravitation. To the bird, it is described by the geometry of the pasta — a mathematical structure. The frog itself is merely a thick bundle of pasta, whose highly complex intertwining corresponds to a cluster of particles that store and process information. Our universe is far more complicated than this example, and scientists do not yet know to what, if any, mathematical structure it corresponds.

I strongly suspect that in banishing Adam to mortality (Genesis 3) God limited the visual and mental perception of Adamic man to four dimensions (three of space and one of time) thereafter rendering man blind to both the spiritual realm and the full nature and extent of the physical realm:

Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares. - Hebrews 13:2

To God be the glory!

[Alamo-Girl]

Oh, and one more point. It is estimated there are 100 billion stars in the Milky Way galaxy. That is roughly equivalent to the number of human beings estimated to have ever lived on earth.

To visualize it, there are about 100 billion drops of water in an Olympic sized swimming pool.

Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. – Matthew 5:14-16

To God be the glory!

[TXnMA]

Thank you, dear Alamo-Girl, for pinging me to this thread!!!

As you and betty boop surely know, in tricky_k_1972, you have, apparently, introduced me to a true "kindred spirit"! It's amazing how similar to many of my posts are tricky_k_1972's comments on cosmology and the value in studying both of the "records" our Creator left of His handwork!

tricky_k_1972, as a physical chemist and a believer in our Creator and all His mighty works, I often frequent APOD, too. (And, I wish I had been able to travel to the southern hemisphere to see the Comet McNaught vista you posted!) From what you have already said in this thread, I expect that we are in very close agreement!!!

This promises to be a really good thread!!! :-)

[Alamo-Girl]

Hi, dear brother in Christ! I'm so very glad that you and tricky_k_1972 have so much in common and I too look forward to the discussion on this thread!

[MrB]

From the positioning of the Earth in the universe, it is clear that we were intended to discover as well as live.

Read “Privileged Planet” for more details on this exact positioning and setting of the “rules” so that living conditions coincide with discoverability conditions.

[TXnMA]

"Neither the Biblical Word nor The Universe are lies nor are they deceptions, any disagreement that is perceived is merely Man's deception of himself or a misinterpretation of EITHER The Biblical Word or the Universe. "

Nicely done!!!

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A-G & BB, I know you have seen me post almost the identical concept -- but I doubt that I said it quite as well... ;-)

[TXnMA]

"Neither the Biblical Word nor The Universe are lies nor are they deceptions, any disagreement that is perceived is merely Man's deception of himself or a misinterpretation of EITHER The Biblical Word or the Universe. "

Nicely done!!!

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A-G & BB, I know you have seen me post almost the identical concept -- but I doubt that I said it quite as well... ;-)