Obama’s BIG Birth Certificate PROBLEM (Freeper credited)

No Quarter ^ | 6/20/08 | Staff

[pissant]

I have acquired additional information related to my earlier posts today (at my blog) on the subject of Barack Obama’s ‘Certification of Live Birth.’

My first post on this subject, Obama Birth Certificate, Fake?, included an analysis that I came across by a blogger named Polarik, who concluded based on “20 years of experience in computers, printers, and typewriters” that the document provided by the Obama campaign (and published by Daily Kos) was manufactured.

In a subsequent post, Certification of Birth from Hawaii: Where’s the Seal?, I showed a ‘Certification of Live Birth’ from Honolulu County for Patricia Decosta, which I found posted at Free Republic (thanks to reader shainzona). (And yes, I know it’s a “right wing” publication but that does not make the information false).

Here is the document posted by the Obama campaign on its Fight the Smears website as evidence of Obama’s birth in Hawaii in 1961:

And here is Ms. Decosta’s certification:

Now, compare the two documents. Polarik’s technical analysis notwithstanding, my lay person’s eye noticed three differences right away:

1. Ms. Decosta’s certification displays fold marks, which you might expect to see on a document sent through the mail.

2. The certificate number on Obama’s document is blacked out; Ms. Decosta’s is not.

AND

3. An embossed seal is visible on Ms. Decosta’s certification; there is no embossed seal on Obama’s. (You can see the embossed seal very clearly on the larger image at FR here.)

The Vital Records office in Hawaii has confirmed the following with respect to requests for certified copies of birth certificates:

1. Certifications of live birth are always mailed from the VR office, and never transmitted electronically.

2. Certificate numbers are never blacked out.

AND

3. Certifications will always have an embossed seal.

[snarks_when_bored]

For ‘had born’ in that first sentence read ‘had been born’...

[Ann Archy]

A WHITE person born in South Africa...their Race would be AFRICAN??

[scrabblehack]

So Obama, can a baby be aborted up until 4 days after its birth?

[Lancey Howard]

And a guy who would fake a birth certification wouldn't be capable of sharing BJs and coke with a gay cruiser now would he?>

Larry Sinclair was by no means B. Hussein Obama's first gay love affair, and God only knows how long Obama was a crackhead. (I have to guess he put down his crack pipe in preparation for his run.)

[Sacajaweau]

I think you have to look at a few others (originals only)going back 2 months and going ahead two months.

Now I have a question...I think his father was from Kenya? Does Obama have dual citizenship? If so....I think THAT could disqualify him.

[WilliamReading]

Since when is a person’s race called African??

It was always called Negro at that time.

Something stinks about Obama, including the fact that his mother and father both abandoned him at different times.

There is something not right about him.

[count-your-change]

Yes. Story is father wanted boy so named daughter Stanley.

[dayglored]

> We're really reaching, here. If it's fake, let's prove it - but let's not breathlessly report things that are probably inconsequential.

Yes, but IT'S SO MUCH MORE FUN to breathlessly report inconsequential things than it is to face up to the fact that John McCain is a crappy, lame candidate who may as well be a Democrat.

This is what is called a DISTRACTION.

Then again, if these well-meaning folks manage to shove Obama aside, we'll have... HILLARY!!

Won't THAT be an improvement, eh?

I'm so glad this is a free country. These folks can post all this inane stuff, and I can laugh at them, and sometime this fall we'll all piss and moan about the President-elect, regardless of who it is....

[nobama08]

Yes - her father wanted a boy.

[Ann Archy]

That is a GREAT thread!! The guys PROVES it’s a fake...especially the CORNERS!

[Girlene]

I agree, if Obama’s is from 2007, it would be better to compare to another 2007 issue. But I can’t imagine a difference between 2005 and 2007 when the bottom of BOTH clearly state the form was last revised November 2001.

I was wondering the same thing.

Beezdotcom, your comment "we may find that the rev numbers for reprints may match, and yet still appear different" is also a good point. More data points are needed, but it is interesting.

[Cringing Negativism Network]

“parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years”

-

According to the Cornell link behind that story, there’s an additional detail:

“... at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years”

FWIW...

[AlaskaErik]

Now I have a question...I think his father was from Kenya? Does Obama have dual citizenship? If so....I think THAT could disqualify him.

Dual citizenship has to be applied for and I don't believe Americans could apply for dual citizenship until fairly recently. If B Hussein was born in Hawaii, then he is automatically a US citizen. When I was born (in the US), both my parents were foreign nationals, but I am still a US citizen by birth. I do have the option of applying for dual citizenship, but I am an American and have no desire to do so.

[FlingWingFlyer]

Wow! I guess that helps explain why BO has such an intense inferiority complex.

[pissant]

Actually, that document you are quoting is a paraphrase, and incorrect as well. Here is the real portion covering this scenario:

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person

(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or

(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date;

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401——000-.html

[Cringing Negativism Network]

It does seem odd, the name on the Obama “certificate” seems to have been applied to the document with a graphics program, with the pixilation around the edges of the letters.

Anyone have Dan Rather’s number?

Perhaps someone should ask him?...

[jamese777]

“A WHITE person born in South Africa...their Race would be AFRICAN??”

---

Their ethnicity would be “South African” and their race would be “white.” The US keeps racial classifications, ethnicity classifications and ancestry classifications.
Under current US law, the races are: white, black, Asian, Native Hawaiian or other Pacfic Islander, American Indian or Alaskan Native, two or more races, and “some other race” with space to write in what that is.

[snarks_when_bored]

That more complete statement still applies to Obama and his parents, as far as I can tell. What reasons are there for thinking otherwise?

[pissant]

AND served in military or government.

[WilliamReading]

Why would the CERTIFICATE NUMBER be blacked out?

What is he trying to hide?

Why would an unnamed source “release” this to the Daily Kos?

We are being scammed here.