Obama’s BIG Birth Certificate PROBLEM (Freeper credited)

No Quarter ^ | 6/20/08 | Staff

[pissant]

I have acquired additional information related to my earlier posts today (at my blog) on the subject of Barack Obama’s ‘Certification of Live Birth.’

My first post on this subject, Obama Birth Certificate, Fake?, included an analysis that I came across by a blogger named Polarik, who concluded based on “20 years of experience in computers, printers, and typewriters” that the document provided by the Obama campaign (and published by Daily Kos) was manufactured.

In a subsequent post, Certification of Birth from Hawaii: Where’s the Seal?, I showed a ‘Certification of Live Birth’ from Honolulu County for Patricia Decosta, which I found posted at Free Republic (thanks to reader shainzona). (And yes, I know it’s a “right wing” publication but that does not make the information false).

Here is the document posted by the Obama campaign on its Fight the Smears website as evidence of Obama’s birth in Hawaii in 1961:

And here is Ms. Decosta’s certification:

Now, compare the two documents. Polarik’s technical analysis notwithstanding, my lay person’s eye noticed three differences right away:

1. Ms. Decosta’s certification displays fold marks, which you might expect to see on a document sent through the mail.

2. The certificate number on Obama’s document is blacked out; Ms. Decosta’s is not.

AND

3. An embossed seal is visible on Ms. Decosta’s certification; there is no embossed seal on Obama’s. (You can see the embossed seal very clearly on the larger image at FR here.)

The Vital Records office in Hawaii has confirmed the following with respect to requests for certified copies of birth certificates:

1. Certifications of live birth are always mailed from the VR office, and never transmitted electronically.

2. Certificate numbers are never blacked out.

AND

3. Certifications will always have an embossed seal.

[Cheburashka]

Which only clouds his credibility that he cannot be open and honest in the first place. Why not release the original in the first place? It only sparks more contriversy that he needed more time to doctor a better version, because if he produces anything that does not look like the one he released, it just adds more fuel to the fire!

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Because they want to make us look like fools. You think the lefties haven't been looking for revenge for Affaire D’Kinko?

And he doesn't have to explain anything at all if no one can tie the fake to his campaign. “I'm not responsible for what some yo-yo puts out on the Internet. We had nothing to do with any Photoshopped jpg of a fake BC. Try to prove we did.”

[HANG THE EXPENSE]

Stupid enough?The woman was a raving marxist for crying out loud.There’s the stupid you were wondering about.Would not surprise me one bit if little barry was born in kenya.

[Cheburashka]

But there are only 12 Cylon models...

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Yes. That would be your first clue that someone tampered with the database.

[nikos1121]

“The state or territorial authorities might have cared more about race than the local registrar did.”

I’ve read that in Hawaii there is particular interest in the background of those born on that soil...

[HANG THE EXPENSE]

Negative.Mcnutts was born on a US military installation which is just as good as US tera-firma.

[Cheburashka]

Stupid enough?The woman was a raving marxist for crying out loud.There’s the stupid you were wondering about.Would not surprise me one bit if little barry was born in kenya.

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Marxists may not care about the cr&**y conditions in the hospital where your or my children might be born, but it's another story when it comes to their progeny.

You can believe anything you want. Show the flight into Hawaii that they were on from anywhere about the time of his birth. No flight, then he was born in Hawaii.

You can bet any birth certificate he produces to end this will not have any flaws in it. We will have the burden of proof.

[firewalk]

Thank you for your answer.
(& for the links)

[ozark hilljilly]

Yep, the border corners look bogus as all get out. Very sloppy.
I would think that almost all Dept. of Records or whatever agency is in charge of these things just have a blank template program on their computer for these certificates and they fill in the info based on the hard copy originals. This one looks all pieced together and that “African” notation just doesn’t set well with me. But what do I know?

Sure, it’s a distraction, but a fun one.

[HANG THE EXPENSE]

I would bet back in that time it will be difficult to check whether they were on a flight into HI or not.Could there be customs records on this issue and if so where are they kept?This will be tough.

[WilliamReading]

Obama campaign has just released this "updated" and "authenticated" birth certificate. I think this answers the questions once and for all.

[conservative cat]

That one looks more authentic.

[AmericaUnited]

Alternative explanation: The Obama campaign phonied up a jpg of a phony birth certificate, knowing that bloggers and sites like Free Republic would chase it like greyhounds chasing the fake bunny around the track. At the appropriate time they will pull out the real BC and prove that FReepers are idiots, killing our credibility

Well that's a stupid, since the only credibility that would be DESTROYED in your scenario is Obamas, since his organization presented to the world the one we are disputing, and if they "pull out" any other one, THEY PROVE THEMSELVES LIARS.

[AmericaUnited]

Why would they black out the # on the copy they provided?

If they had provided the #, then anyone could request a Letter of Verification from HI, veriying all the infomation on this document. They WILL NOT tell you info you don't already know, but they will confirm you provide.

Example:

"Please confirm that certificate # 12345 was issued in the name of Barry Dunham".

Answer: "We can verify that the certificate was not issued in that name."

Answer: "We can verify that the certificate was issued in that name."

Get it?...

[devolve]

Good post potlatch.....

If the alleged "official" Barack Hussein Obama II campaign website has posted any different versions of this graphic this would create several important problems -


Would/Will the "alleged" Barack Hussein Obama II who "alleges" to be a "native born" US citizen and with the same (alleged) DNA as his surviving white Unitarian (not Baptist or Methodist as claimed?) American grandmother be able to provide positive evidence to prove that?

If the "official" Obama campaign website posted document turns out to be a fakeroo (of the Dan Rather Kind) with difference of actual actual historical facts, dates, &/or locations, etc -

Will Barry again blame a "staffer" who perhaps made an innocent mistake or a simple clerical error?

Why is the first released "KOS" website graphic not exactly the same?

Is it in within the realm of fantasy or possibility that deliberately submitting &/or creating &/or representing a counterfeited document would be considered to be a criminal felony under any federal or state statutes?

Perhaps some actual current honest law enforcement expert investigators and well experienced prominent civil and criminal attorneys could provide a bit of insight on this matter - A simple email (I sent today) will start that ball rolling down the alley and keep it headed towards the pins.....

Let us not be set off course by a few comments/posts on this or any other FR thread from anonymous armchair experts or sleepers or opposition plants -

Remember the woman democrat Hillary supporter (for McCain only now!) who appeared on FNC this week who stated she had received (then) from 40-50 angry vicious threats against her life and health from Barack Hussein Obama Junior supporters?

If in fact there is an actual orginal document from the hospital or state Board of Health (I have both myself) is there any reason why an actual photocopy (signed and notarized) cannot be quickly made and produced? A US Passport application requires a correct and official signed and notarized copy or signed and notarized US State Department forms from siblings &/or other close relatives (I know and have such documents in my files)



....or we could wait until December I guess....

[Cheburashka]

No, they prove themselves smart by getting us to run around on a snipe hunt. They get a good laugh at our expense. And we ruin our credibility for the revelations that come out later in the campaign.

We’re the ones that get DESTROYED. Payback for sinking Dan Rather.

[txhurl]

Can’t we just attack the man on the issues that we can beat him with in November and stop stooping so low and making FR look ridiculous?

/Obama apologist

[Cheburashka]

I would bet back in that time it will be difficult to check whether they were on a flight into HI or not.Could there be customs records on this issue and if so where are they kept?This will be tough.

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I agree. Even if that jpg is photoshopped, even it the certificate is fake, none of that proves he wasn't born in the U.S. Very difficult to get proof. I'm paranoid. I suspect this is all a con to get us to waste time on something unprovable.

[AmericaUnited]

You really don't get it all.

An official Obama website (www.fightthesmears.com) has unequivocally stated to the world that this is in fact his birth certificate. So if it is proven false in any manner or they produce a different one, THEIR CREDIBILITY IS DESTROYED. We lose zero.

[AmericaUnited]

I suspect this is all a con to get us to waste time on something unprovable.

Well I would not be concerned about that, since some of us can do more than one thing at one time.

[Kaslin]

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