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Ron Paul Lost, Let Me Count the Ways
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Posted on 06/01/2008 1:37:57 PM PDT by big black dog

Jim Henley assesses the complete and utter failure that was the Ron Paul campaign for the Republican presidential nomination:

Paul failed to win any states, to move the GOP debate in his direction, to accrue significant delegates or to leverage his fund-raising into a third-party run. And word is he’s staying quiet about endorsing an independent because he doesn’t want the Congressional GOP leadership to strip him of committee assignments come the fall. Paul accomplished the one thing he’s always been good at: using political appeals to get people to send money. I don’t feel freer.

But other than that, he did a super job. Revolution!


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: 110th; 2008rncconvention; gopprimary; newbie; ronpaul
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Can we please stop debating this fine old doctor and political jerk? He lost and except for some folks in Texas we don't need to discuss this embarrassment any more.
41 posted on 06/05/2008 6:09:53 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter
Can we please stop debating this fine old doctor and political jerk? He lost and except for some folks in Texas we don't need to discuss this embarrassment any more.

I don't think you're getting what has happened here. He's done more than just run for President. He's awakened a dormant section of the population of this country---that group of us who still believe in the things we were taught about the Constitution, the Founding Fathers, liberty and personal responsibility, which were instilled in us when we were kids. We still believe in these things, and he has become one of the most important voices for those ideas in our country.

He's not going away. There's no reason he should. He is now at the forefront of a political movement which will continue on way past this election.

The very fact that people who hate him keep writing and posting articles about him should tell us one thing: this man represents something they fear. And that something must be quite powerful.

Otherwise they wouldn't spend any time or effort in shouting it down.

42 posted on 06/05/2008 11:44:26 AM PDT by MarcoPolo (Say yes to Dr. No!)
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To: Designer
Then there is the distinct possibility that Ron Paul is actually right.

Ron Paul is right about quite a few things. And, honestly, it's nice to have someone in Washington who is.

43 posted on 06/05/2008 11:48:02 AM PDT by MarcoPolo (Say yes to Dr. No!)
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To: MarcoPolo

Maybe Paul awakened you personally but that section of the population has always been there, remember Perot/Buchanan. I don’t object to everything Paul says, mostly just the WOT and blaming the US for being attacked on 9/11. and YES I heard him say that 9/11 was caused by the US messing with other parts of the world. If you believe we got what we deserved then all I have to say is “bless your heart”.


44 posted on 06/05/2008 12:12:56 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: hedgetrimmer

“The TSA is a glorified security guard company that creates an unconstitutional relationship between the airlines and the government.”

There is already a so-called “unconstitutional relationship” between the government and the airlines....It’s called the FAA.

So once again using your argument, let’s now do away with the FAA so it’s left to the states to inspect airliners and to keep them from flying into each other.


45 posted on 06/06/2008 10:55:35 AM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Democrats: Supporting America's enemies since 1824)
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To: MarcoPolo
I think the reason a lot of people criticize Paul is because they've been so thoroughly indoctrinated into blind patriotism. They have believed wholeheartedly the old bumpersticker line that I saw some years ago: "America Right or Wrong." Other variations would say something like "My Country Right or Wrong."

That's Free Republic for you: introspection = treason. ;)

Fundamentalists, whether religious or political (both sides), crave certainty. They need to know the unalterable truth, and once they come to believe they have found it, they'll immediately kill any heretic who dares to question it. Uncertainty so threatens their self-image that they can't stand to hear even the slightest hint of dissent.

Ron Paul is a dissident. He never had a chance. The group of dissidents who founded the Republic would have welcomed him, but their kind is long vanished from the corridors of power.

46 posted on 06/06/2008 11:07:15 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("One man's 'magic' is another man's engineering. 'Supernatural' is a null word." -- Robert Heinlein)
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To: Designer

“I have speculated that the RP bashing FReepers have some vested interest in big government, fiat money, global government, or some such that they won’t admit.”

What are you smoking?

I hate your village idiot heerow because:

1.) He is a two faced lying hypocrite.

2.) He does not support the military.

3.) He is a cut and run blame America first coward.

4.) He has no plan whatsoever to impliment even 1% of the lunatic policies he wants.

5.) He’s all for putting Americans out of work through expansion of the H1B visa program.

6.) He want’s to promote the use of state sponsored piracy with the silly letters of marque.

7.) He’s soft on crime.

8.) He wants to eliminate drug laws, and legalize marijuana. Well Californistan passed Prop 215, and now in some places the crime rate (to include violent crime) has tripled since “legalization”.

9.) He denounced the Republican party back in 1988 so he could run for President as a libertarian. But when he lost his bid he came crawling back as if nothing happened.

10.) He is a truther nutcase, and is a regular guest on that America hating, conspiracy nut POS alex jones’ radio show.


47 posted on 06/06/2008 11:28:05 AM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Democrats: Supporting America's enemies since 1824)
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To: Designer

“Ron Paul’s experience of having witnessed the Viet Nam war and our subsequent withdrawal led him to his other major public opinion problem, that of suggesting that we should “just come home” from Iraq.”

The ONLY ones who could have witnessed the war were the ones on the ground IN Vietnam.


48 posted on 06/06/2008 11:54:46 AM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Democrats: Supporting America's enemies since 1824)
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To: 2CAVTrooper

The FAA is not the TSA. The TSA is a police force that uses tools on citizens that would get a private company sued. They use the force of the government to violate privacy rights in the name of the airlines.


49 posted on 06/06/2008 4:55:03 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer (I'm a billionaire! Thanks WTO and the "free trade" system!--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Ron Paul is a dissident.

Someone who wants to preserve personal liberty a dissident? what does that make the mainstream candidates then? Dissident is a word from the communist era, and now we use it to describe patriotic Americans who support the Constitution? What a mixed up world!
50 posted on 06/07/2008 7:44:41 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer (I'm a billionaire! Thanks WTO and the "free trade" system!--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: 2CAVTrooper
He does not support the military.

That's as disingenuous as it is ridiculous. The man has talked about how we need to do a better job of taking care of veterans, and frankly, as the daughter of a Vietnam vet, I can tell you that's something we do a stinky job at. He want’s to promote the use of state sponsored piracy with the silly letters of marque.

Well, last I checked it was the Constitution that came up with the idea---not Ron Paul. He is a cut and run blame America first coward.

That's the kind of political slogan used to slam someone that one can't actually debate on the basis of fact. And isn't it a little odd to you that Dick Cheney who managed to get himself several deferments from military service back when he was at the age at which he could serve is now seen as courageous for supporting sending other people to do what he didn't have the courage to do himself, while Ron Paul did serve his country when called upon and is yet called a coward because he refuses to support sending men to die for a war that cannot be Constitutionally justified? That's the epitome of a double standard. He is a truther nutcase, and is a regular guest on that America hating, conspiracy nut POS alex jones’ radio show.

And yet Ron Paul has consistently, whenever asked, always said that he does not believe that 9-11 was an inside job because he's never seen any evidence to prove that it was, so any accusations of him being a truther are inaccurate and, again, disingenuous.

51 posted on 06/07/2008 8:01:01 AM PDT by MarcoPolo (Say yes to Dr. No!)
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To: hedgetrimmer

“The FAA is not the TSA. The TSA is a police force that uses tools on citizens that would get a private company sued.”

Tools that would get them sued?

Oh those big bad X-ray machines and metal detectors oh my!

“They use the force of the government to violate privacy rights in the name of the airlines.”

Sorry, but outside of a bathroom there is no such thing as privacy in a PUBLIC PLACE such as an airport terminal.


52 posted on 06/10/2008 8:16:18 AM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Democrats: Supporting America's enemies since 1824)
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To: 2CAVTrooper
Oh those big bad X-ray machines and metal detectors oh my!

And strip searches, and pat downs, and forcing women to drink their own breast milk....

The TSA is indefensible. By any reasonable standard.

53 posted on 06/10/2008 8:30:39 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: MarcoPolo

“That’s as disingenuous as it is ridiculous.”

Really? Well then you obviously havn’t looked at his voting record then.

Since 1997 he has voted against ALL of the military budgets.

He has voted against military pay raises.

He has voted against funding for better healthcare for the active military and veterans.

He has voted against funding for new family housing, single soldier barracks, recreational facilities, commissaries, etc.

He has voted against funding for body armor.

And spare me the BS about him not liking something in the bill as the reason why he voted against them because he could have easily proposed ammendments to remove the items he didn’t like.

“That’s the kind of political slogan used to slam someone that one can’t actually debate on the basis of fact.”

So isn’t saying “That’s as disingenuous as it is ridiculous” especially since his own damn voting record proves me right.

And once again I am correct in calling him a cut and run blame America first coward.....And that’s based on his own views.

“That’s the epitome of a double standard.”

You paulies are experts in double standards, but by all means keep on spewing your demoncrap underground/morons.org/code stink talking points about Cheney.

I served in the military, and your heerow IS a coward.

“And yet Ron Paul has consistently, whenever asked, always said that he does not believe that 9-11 was an inside job because he’s never seen any evidence to prove that it was, so any accusations of him being a truther are inaccurate and, again, disingenuous.”

And yet he said last year that he was open to a new investigation into 9/11 with his buddy dennis kucinich.


54 posted on 06/10/2008 8:45:44 AM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Democrats: Supporting America's enemies since 1824)
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Sorry, but outside of a bathroom there is no such thing as privacy in a PUBLIC PLACE such as an airport terminal.

Thanks to 20 years of Bush Clinton Bush. And what particular indoctrination convinced you that US citizens should lose their right to privacy?
55 posted on 06/11/2008 6:26:13 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer (I'm a billionaire! Thanks WTO and the "free trade" system!--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: hedgetrimmer
"Thanks to 20 years of Bush Clinton Bush."

Oh horsesh*t!

"And what particular indoctrination convinced you that US citizens should lose their right to privacy?"

What part of PUBLIC PLACE do you not understand?

Do I have to put it in a coloring book format or use Hooked on Phonics as if I were dealing with the galactically stupid people from democrat underground?

There is no expectation of privacy in a public space.

An objective, legitimate or reasonable expectation of privacy is an expectation of privacy recognized by society and protected by law.

According to the United States law, examples of places where a person has a reasonable expectation of privacy are person's residence and public places which are specifically provided to ensure privacy, such as public restrooms, private portions of jailhouses, or a phone booth.

56 posted on 06/11/2008 5:36:25 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Democrats: Supporting America's enemies since 1824)
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To: 2CAVTrooper
What part of PUBLIC PLACE do you not understand?

When did PUBLIC PLACE become surveillance in your mind?
57 posted on 06/11/2008 7:25:33 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer (I'm a billionaire! Thanks WTO and the "free trade" system!--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: hedgetrimmer
“When did PUBLIC PLACE become surveillance in your mind?”

So nice of you to change the subject since the discussion was if airport terminals were public places or not.

So instead of admitting that you are wrong, you change the subject.....The liberals would be proud of you.

FYI, public places have always been surveilled. Or do you just think that police officers sit around police headquarters and donut shops all day waiting for a call?

58 posted on 06/12/2008 12:05:11 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Democrats: Supporting America's enemies since 1824)
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To: 2CAVTrooper
So nice of you to change the subject since the discussion was if airport terminals were public places or not.

I wonder what makes people take the side of tyranny?
59 posted on 06/12/2008 7:06:23 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer (I'm a billionaire! Thanks WTO and the "free trade" system!--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: hedgetrimmer

“I wonder what makes people take the side of tyranny?”

Boy are you paranoid.

Since when is a police officer patrolling his beat tyrannicle?


60 posted on 06/13/2008 1:26:56 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Democrats: Supporting America's enemies since 1824)
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