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1 posted on 04/20/2008 6:17:06 PM PDT by Soliton
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To: Soliton

Correction, “An atheist versus a believer thing”


2 posted on 04/20/2008 6:18:06 PM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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You’ve been have a hissy fit for a couple days now about the movie. Have you seen it? If not, go see it so you can comment from the perspective of someone who’s seen the acutally movie and not just hearsay, or extrapolating from an interview.

I felt the movie was more about academic freedom and discourse in the scientific community.


9 posted on 04/20/2008 6:37:42 PM PDT by dawn53
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So you are for firing any scientist that says his research is not explained by random chance?? Stalin would be proud of our academia.

Pray for W and Our Troops


19 posted on 04/20/2008 7:00:57 PM PDT by bray (Go InSain)
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Neither Creation nor evolution are science, both are religions. We who believe God created the world just as He says He did in His book the Bible are creationist. Those who believe the theory out forward by some worm eaten corpse named darwin are evolutionist. Nether believe is based upon science as science is defined, both are based upon a religious belief.

As for me, I'll go with God's book after all, He was there at the beginning. And I admit that it is my religious convictions and absolute believe in the word of God that leads me to that conclusison. Why is it that evolutionist can not be as honest, for there is no science in evolution, just one changing theroy after an other, one misguide belief after another.

40 posted on 04/20/2008 7:39:04 PM PDT by deuteronlmy232 ("In the begining God created the ehavens and the earth" God 5,000 years ago to Moses.)
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To: Soliton

I’m trying to understand what is wrong with Stein’s statements.

ID isn’t science. It’s faith. Faith is religion. Ben Stein is exactly right. It’s similar to calling liberals, “progressives.” They are still liberals.

Present both positions. Let God sort em out.


49 posted on 04/20/2008 8:10:37 PM PDT by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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Ben Stein was just on Fox News with Geraldo. He was asked If ID versus Evolution was a "left, right thing". He responded,"No, It's an atheist versus a non-believer thing". Stein inadvertantly admitted that ID is a religious argument, not science!

With your recent barrage of zealous indignation about this film it would be foolish for anyone to take your word on what Ben Stein said.

Presuming it was Geraldo that asked the question, the left-right question is irrelevant except to say that more on the right possess a critical eye towards Darwinian evolutionary dogma to the exclusion of a role of higher power. Evolutionary zealots can never seem to explain, as Dawkins apparently posits in the film, how the aliens that may have created life here on earth were created themselves.

In the end from what I have gathered the film's ultimate point is the leftist politization of the sciences to the point that any evidence to the contrary to the accepted dogma is to be shunned, ridiculed, banned etc.

When a 20-word statement in the form of a sticker to a text book stating that ID is a belief of many is banned because it is considered teaching ID then it is clear that evolutionary zealots can't stand the heat of competition even in a bumper sticker format.

76 posted on 04/20/2008 9:37:31 PM PDT by torchthemummy (W's Margin Of Victory In Florida 2000 - 537 / FL House Bill Number To Move Up Florida Primary - 537)
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What's your problem Soliton?

As I pointed out to you in a previous thread (<-click), it's only Constitution-ignoring atheists and secularists who are cheerleading the USSC's anti-religious expression perversions (<-click) of our constitutional religious freedoms who are concerned about the religious aspects of ID.

Again, if it weren't for the problem that pro-ID factions evidently do not know the Constitution and its history where our religious freedoms are concerned, there's nothing in the Constitution that says that ID cannot be discussed in public schools, religion-related or not, and as long as people's 14th A. protections are respected.

Again, you're evidently in denial about what's going on.

109 posted on 04/20/2008 10:38:13 PM PDT by Amendment10
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OOh, wow, you've really done a lot of research on the question, I can tell.

One line from an interview, without having seen his film...which touches extensively upon atheism by interviewing evolutionists.

How about this headline:

Soliton Blows It on FR--Hasn't Seen Film That Has Evolutionists Boasting About Their Atheism

:)

134 posted on 04/21/2008 12:43:55 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat ((I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!))
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Five star movie. Saw it Friday and can’t recommend it highly enough. Stein gives the leading Darwinists enough rope to hang themselves. Instead, they apparently decided to blow themselves up, and the bridge behind them.


150 posted on 04/21/2008 7:47:21 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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My friend just got back from seeing the movie — he said it was great and highly encouraged everyone to see it!

-Jesse


334 posted on 04/21/2008 10:36:56 PM PDT by mrjesse (Could it be true? Imagine, being forgiven, and having a cause, greater then yourself, to live for!)
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To: Soliton
Soliton and tokenathiest are just stirring the pot.

Soliton has admitted not seeing the film and token skirts questions and this and other threads.


350 posted on 04/22/2008 6:59:32 AM PDT by The Louiswu (Just say NO... to Hillary and O'Bama)
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