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Voting 'no' on Hillary, Obama and McCain: Is this the year for 3rd party candidate?
WorldNetDaily ^ | March 24, 2008 | Staff

Posted on 03/24/2008 9:38:28 PM PDT by EternalVigilance

Many conservatives are feeling left out of the 2008 presidential race, with the likes of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama battling for the Democratic nomination and the GOP endorsement likely going to U.S. Sen. John McCain, who has worked with Democrats on campaign limits as well as amnesty for illegal aliens, and in 2004 actually was thought of as a possible running mate for Democratic candidate John Kerry.

Some prominent leaders, including Focus on the Family founder James Dobson, even have said they will not vote rather than vote for the liberal leanings of McCain.

So is 2008 the year when a third-party candidate would find some traction among those disaffected by the abortion, marriage and national security stances found in the records of the three front-runners left in the race?

Charles Lewis, national outreach director for Christian Exodus, is one of those behind the launch of the new Save America Summit website, and believes it's not only time, it's overdue.

"Even the national conservative pundits who have drunk the Koolaid have to say 'hold your nose and vote for McCain,'" Lewis told WND. "Not one of them recommended voting for McCain in a primary."

Among those joining in the effort are presidential candidate Alan Keyes, American Minute founder Bill Federer, Council for National Policy member Bob Fischer, Minuteman national executive Director Al Garza, Constitution Party founder Howard Phillips, Gun Owners of American executive director Larry Pratt, Minuteman Civil Defense Corps founder Chris Simcox, Operation Save America founder Flip Benham and dozens of others.

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KEYWORDS: 2008; christianexodus; constitutionparty; keyes; no; thirdparty
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To: kingattax

Most likely, yes.

The Dem turnout in their primaries was huge. I sincerely doubt the crossover to the Republicans was as much as many would like to think it was. Believe it or not, the Dems were, and probably still are, very excited about voting in their own primaries.


21 posted on 03/24/2008 9:59:50 PM PDT by SlapHappyPappy
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To: kingattax

Respectfully, I consider that a moot question. Why? Because the Republican leadership gave control over the vetting of our candidates and the setting of the terms of the debate to the Democrat Media. To make a long story short, that’s why the formerly Grand Old Party ended up with a Democrat nominee.


22 posted on 03/24/2008 10:01:06 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The first front in any war is the war of words.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Perot was the most successful third party candidate in my lifetime, and I've always wondered where his Presidential Library is located.
23 posted on 03/24/2008 10:01:47 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

Well, the Democrats and Republicans have never nominated such duds, either.


24 posted on 03/24/2008 10:03:48 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The first front in any war is the war of words.)
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To: EternalVigilance

with the question i was trying to promote some discussion about crossover voting in the primaries. thanks EV.


25 posted on 03/24/2008 10:14:20 PM PDT by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: kingattax

Sorry. I just had a different focus.

Open primaries are just plain stupid.

That would like being in a war and letting the enemy help choose your generals.


26 posted on 03/24/2008 10:16:11 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The first front in any war is the war of words.)
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To: Red Steel
"A conservative third party candidate will not work unless there are countervailing liberal third parties that dilute the votes in a general presidential election"

Is Ralph Nader running as third party? Didn't he consider running?

27 posted on 03/24/2008 10:16:28 PM PDT by matthew fuller (United We Stand- Diversified We Fall)
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To: Patrick1

Couldn’t find anybody sane?

Opinions are like hinies, we all have one!


28 posted on 03/24/2008 10:16:37 PM PDT by garylmoore (Faith is the assurance of things unseen.)
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To: Ingtar

Yep, you’re insane


29 posted on 03/24/2008 10:18:20 PM PDT by norge
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To: EternalVigilance
Well, the Democrats and Republicans have never nominated such duds, either.

Of course they have, and often. In too many elections we are left choosing the lesser dud.

Anyway, EV, I'm off for the night, have fun with your thread. :)

30 posted on 03/24/2008 10:20:24 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: EternalVigilance

That’s the opinion I have of the process as well — why in the world would you let a Democrat vote for which Republican will be up against their candidate? Now THAT’s insanity!


31 posted on 03/24/2008 10:22:23 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (The Liberty Rocks Blog - http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ also see; http://www.libertyrocks.us)
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To: EternalVigilance

i agree with you completely


32 posted on 03/24/2008 10:28:04 PM PDT by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: smoothsailing

Have a great evening!


33 posted on 03/24/2008 10:28:21 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The first front in any war is the war of words.)
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To: kingattax; LibertyRocks

I spend part of my time working in Idaho, where our conservative Republican friends, after much battling with RINO party leadership, have finally managed to close their primary. It’s about time.


34 posted on 03/24/2008 10:32:08 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The first front in any war is the war of words.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Is this the year for 3rd party candidate?

No.

35 posted on 03/24/2008 10:34:17 PM PDT by XR7
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To: XR7

We have no choice, since all that the Republicans and the Democrats are offering are George Soros purchases.


36 posted on 03/24/2008 10:36:26 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The first front in any war is the war of words.)
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To: EternalVigilance
First thing — a third party is stupid if it's going to compete with one of the other parties for a losing fraction. A third party would want need to have the first intention of putting one of the other parties out of business eventually but co-existing with them in the beginning.

The way to replace the GOP with a true conservative party, the only reasonable way, is to recruit the already elected conservative Republicans to the new party and then you have an instant political party without a vote being cast.

From there, the new party cuts a deal with the Republicans to only challenge their most egregious rino incumbents if they agree not to challenge the conservative incumbents of the new party. It would be absurd for the Republicans to challenge a conservative incumbent since they'd never win the seat and could only help a Democrat get elected. Such an action would only cause the Republican dead-enders to jump ship to the new party.

It can be done, but it requires some planning and less emotion.

37 posted on 03/24/2008 10:36:46 PM PDT by Perchant
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To: EternalVigilance

all of it needs to be closed


38 posted on 03/24/2008 10:41:56 PM PDT by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: Perchant

You make very good points, ones I’ve certainly considered for a long time.

Two things are true for me in this general election: I will not support John McCain under any circumstances, and I WILL support true conservatives at every level, with no regard to party.


39 posted on 03/24/2008 10:50:08 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The first front in any war is the war of words.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Is this the year for 3rd party candidate?

Yes, it is. But the key IMHO, is the Christians. It sounds as though they are attempting to mobilize through the Christian networks, which is exactly the thing to do. If Dobson and a few other Christian leaders get on board, this thing is gonna fly. If the Christians settle in behind one candidate and get his numbers (votes and $$m) into double digits (think Huck), the rest will take care of itself.

Yet another very serious issue, and one the Christians must pay attention to, is that the nominee must be a Reagan Conservative, capable of drawing from all three pillars of Conservatism. This is paramount, as Huckabee's run proved- The Christians can haul 'em outta' the basement and get them seen, but they cannot provide a win for the candidate without the rest of the Conservative community behind them.

This is critically important, because a third party candidate will be fighting heavy Republicanism all the way, and must be able to speak to the hearts of all conservatives to get tem to leave the Pubbies in droves. If they get past the "3rd parties can't win" crowd, the win is very possible.

40 posted on 03/24/2008 10:53:08 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more.)
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