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Another disturbing facet of McCain's record, and another way in which he will put the screws to conservatives if elected.
1 posted on 02/22/2008 9:44:32 PM PST by TBP
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I find it difficult to believe that a military man would be against the Second Amendment.


2 posted on 02/22/2008 9:47:56 PM PST by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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As anyone who has follwed my postings can tell you, I am not a McBOT, and I will not vote for the man but lets n9ot exaggerate.

He has three areas where he is better than the alternative, that would be the WOT, government spending and the 2A.


3 posted on 02/22/2008 9:50:43 PM PST by Grunthor (John McCain - Leadership for the coming NAU)
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I for one am tired of this newfound and rather churlish tendency to scream “gun-grabber” at any slight deviation from “perfection”.

If McCain is a gun-grabber, what word do we have for Barack Obama, who actually does want to take people’s guns away from them.

It’s a miracle that ANY candidate can get the votes of conservatives, except for a few who are completely unelectable, which for some conservatives seems to be the true measure of being a “conservative”.


5 posted on 02/22/2008 9:56:55 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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This nation is in deep do-do with the available trio of candidates for the POTUS. In the final analysis, vote for one, step in dogsh*t, vote for the other, step in catsh*t.


6 posted on 02/22/2008 9:58:07 PM PST by 353FMG (Vote for the Person who will do the least damage to our country.)
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Let me say it straight out: a John McCain Presidency would be far worse than a Barack Obama Presidency.

B-freaking-S. Baldwin's a loon. Just another of the zealots the Left will use to tar all of us with.

9 posted on 02/22/2008 10:25:06 PM PST by JennysCool (They all say they want change, but they’re really after folding money.)
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McCain Derangement Sydrome ping.


10 posted on 02/22/2008 10:25:43 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (Draft: Condoleezza Rice for Vice President!)
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A terrible record he has. And as you point out, as a Republican President he would not receive much criticism from other Rs, nor Demorats since his leftist stance suits most of them just fine. He tampered with the lst amndmt w/ McCain-Feingold, and would work to dismantle the 2nd. The appointment of Sullivan is living, stinking proof that Jorge Bush is no conservative and has gone beyond the left if you willl, he only seeks to smash all borders and dissolve our sovereignty to merge us into One World. The writing has been on the wall for a long time and is painfully clear now. Soros, who hates our guts, is McAmnesty’s financier. You may as well vote for the other 2 rats.


19 posted on 02/22/2008 10:40:37 PM PST by luvadavi
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Let me say it straight out: a John McCain Presidency would be far worse than a Barack Obama Presidency.

Obama is on record for handgun confiscation, I doubt that goes for McCain.

a little hyperbole goes a ways

25 posted on 02/22/2008 10:57:50 PM PST by wardaddy (The fact that a radical like Obama can get nominated here makes me ashamed for my nation.)
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I tend to agree with this arguement. Should Obama get the nom the Clintons will let loose on him. He would not get anything done as pres and in 2010 Republicans coud regain both house and senate. But we need Rs with backbone.


27 posted on 02/22/2008 11:00:44 PM PST by rrrod
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How do you propose that we get our guns back after a Hillbama presidency with a democrat congress?


28 posted on 02/22/2008 11:01:40 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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This is getting insane. McCain voted against the brady bill and the assault weapons ban. To attack him on this front is stupid squared.


32 posted on 02/22/2008 11:05:16 PM PST by bad company (How much easier is self-sacrifice than self-realization)
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!!!!I'LL NEVER EVER NEVER EVER NEVER VOTE FOR MCCANE!!!!!
33 posted on 02/22/2008 11:05:40 PM PST by End Times Crusader (John McCain - Leadership in the face of a resurgent Russia)
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The guy is correct about one thing that is for 100% sure. George W. Bush is a phony. He is a fraud. HE IS RESPONSIBLE for what is about to happen to the country. HE is responsible for Obama, Hillary or McCain going to be elected. Back in 2000, with a republican in the White House, a republican controlled congress, even the Main Stream Mafia were saying that the republicans could rule for 20 years or more. Hell, it barely lasted 4 years, then boom, Bush loses the congress, just like Bill Klinton lost the congress for the Marxist’s. George W. Bush’s failures have led to the current mess that we now face. HE is responsible for Obama. IF Obama is elected, and the damage this Marxist will do to our country, in my opinion falls right on George W. Bush’s shoulders. He did more by himself to damage and destroy conservatives than any dimocrat has done. George W. Bush is an enemy of conservatives. He is a failure as president. The war on terror cannot alone give him a passing grade. A few tax cuts do not help either. All his other big government spending, his failures on illegals and border controls, etc. all out weight his positives. Thanks George. Thanks for the mess you have left my Country to face. Please hurry back to Texas and I hope I never see your face again. I am simply sick of it.
41 posted on 02/22/2008 11:13:57 PM PST by RetiredArmy (Obama: NOT the next JFK. He is the NEXT STALIN!!!! Wake up America!!!)
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John McCain sponsored an amendment to S. 1805 on March 2, 2004 that would outlaw the private sale of firearms at gun shows. According to GOA, the provision would effectively eliminate gun shows, because every member of an organization sponsoring a gun show could be imprisoned if the organization fails to notify each and every "person who attends the special firearms event of the requirements [under the Brady Law]."

While I am in no way supporting the idea, this is rank hyperbole. We have the exact same provisions on the state level in CA, and gun shows are doing fine. Flyers are posted and handed out when you buy tickets advising of the requirement that all sales be conducted through licensed dealers, who have booths set up on the premises for just that reason. If you find a gun you want to buy from a non-dealer you go to the booth and fill out the forms. Since there is a waiting period the dealer holds the gun for the required period, then you pick it up at the store. All private sales in CA are handled this way.

I hate the law, as it means an eventual de-facto gun registry. But claiming that it means the end of gun shows is false. Arguments against is should be made on the facts, not unsupported claims.

60 posted on 02/22/2008 11:57:00 PM PST by Hugin (Mecca delenda est!)
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For example, the highly respected Gun Owners of America (GOA) rates McCain with a grade of F-. McCain's failing grade is well deserved.

Horse hockey. I don't know how the GOA comes up with its grading scale, but an F- for McCain is pure nonsense. McCain is certainly not the 2nd amendment's best friend, but he's just as certainly not its worst enemy.

Recently, McCain signed on to one of the most pro-gun amicus briefs on the Heller cases - a pro-gun position. Unless GOA also considers VP Cheney a gun grabber.

McCain was one of the co-signers on a letter to the Dept of the Interior arguing that national parks should follow state laws for carrying weapons - a pro-gun position that would allow concealed carry in national parks where it complies with state laws.

McCain voted for the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Firearms Act - once again, pro-gun.

McCain voted against extending Clinton's 'assault weapon' ban - again, pro-gun.

McCain's campaign website lists his position on various 2nd amendment issues. There are some weak spots, but he's right more than he's wrong.

There may be some merit to the argument that conservatives will dig in harder against a dim president than they might against McCain. But, by basing part of that argument on a selective review of McCain's record, GOA blows their own credibility on the issue entirely out of the water.

McCain's not my first choice, second, or even third choice. But on the RKBA, he's miles ahead of Clinton or Obama.
75 posted on 02/23/2008 1:50:04 PM PST by javachip
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