TOWARD VICTORY (in 2012)
One suggestion?
For 2012, we need ONE conservative candidate that we can all back. Conservative tend to prefer governors, they’ve actually RUN SOMETHING. Barring any unforseen misfortunre between now and 2011, I put forth the ticket of Barbour/Jindal.
Sorry, but I am not for federally funded abortion mills. The GOP nominee will get my vote.
Amazing the rationalization it must take to nominate McCain, who hates us, has actively blocked conservative policies, run a shadow gov with the Dims and the MSM, agitated against the Pres, VP, and the DOD, in public during wartime, and has run a liberal campaign claiming gov can control the weather and the earths temperature.
Simply amazing considering none of our other candidates (RG,MR,FT), save Huck and Paul, have done, or have vowed to do any of the above mentioned. And wanted to be hired to work for us, using their skills to battle our enemies, the terrorists, the Dims, and the MSM.
Stunning really, that the GOP base would nominate someone who vows the complete opposite.
That will be fine if you want to have 2-3 liberal supreme court judges put in place for the next 40 years.
That will be fine if you want surrender in Iraq.
Wish you had listened to Rush the other day. He was discussing this “teach the GOP a lesson” tactic.
Per Rush - he told us that if we sat out the 06’ elections, we would get someone like John McCain as president.
So, thanks to all of the people that played that hand in ‘06 and other elections, thanks to all who prefer to moan and complain but not be responsible for the direction their vote takes us - we now have the choice of Hillary, Obama, or John McCain.
Rush advised that all we can do now is start at the local level and support the conservatives we find because that is where our next conservative leaders will come from.
He also advised that all we can do now is insure that we get as many GOP people into the congress. Because, IF there is a democrat congress and a McCain or a Hillary/Obama, McCain will only push through the democrat agenda, that no conservative judges will be seated and that there will be surrender or mismanagement in the war.
So, playing the vote for the opposition gain will be just that - another cave by the conservatives because they disrespect their vote.
We need a few fighters - not quitters.
And I am sick to death of the thought that if we destroy we will eventually win.
That is quitter politics and will never win anything.
We live in a society that more and more wants government to solve all problems and pay all bills. So, don’t ever think your one vote will convince them they need to give up the government welfare.
We have to fight it daily - not give it away.
I plan to.
Clinton or Obama are both competent enough to make it through 4 years in the White House without alienating their base, and may even be blessed with a relatively friendly economic climate. Should this happen, it would be close to impossible to dislodge them from office in 2012. And should one of them name the other as their running mate (which I strongly suspect is going to be the case), that would mean another possible 8 years for that one to assume command.
That would leave subscribers to your plan in the position of actually hoping for bad things to happen to America during the next 4 (8, 12, 16?) years just so they could say 'I told you so'. Otherwise the next viable chance for a republican presidency may not be until 2024.
You sure you want to wait that long?
..at present it is my plan to vote as I did in the primary, but I understand how you feel...
The ONLY message they will understand is a total rejection in November of 'their' candidate.
What should be more important to all of us is making sure that the Senate has enough of a base to reject any liberal court nominations ANY of the 3 make.
Voting FOR the HildaBEAST or OBAMA in the General Election will give a LOPSIDED VICTORY to the "D" thereby making their win CLEARLY illegimate to the WORLD !!
NO, what it will do is give either one of them a majority, which will "tell the world" that the majority of Americans supported them willingly. BETTER BETTER BETTER to cast your REPUBLICAN or INDEPENDENT vote for anyone other than the Dem Frontrunner, so that whoever wins, be it McCain or the Dem, wins by a clear plurality, which will tell the world, the GOP, and the Dems that most Americans voted against the person who won. THAT is crucial, and for that reason I plan, at this point (I won't decide for sure until election day) to use the voice of my vote to speak AGAINST the Dem and McCain. What you propose would "tell the world" that the winner is wildly popular and legit, and that is IN ERROR.
I trust McCain with the FBI and the Nuclear codes much more than I trust Hillary so there is no choice but to vote for McCain.
Wow! But I bet Giuliani would have been perfectly a-ok, right?
I, too, hope for a McCain defeat this fall. Not because I want the Democrats to win but to save the Republican party. If we conservatives go along with the party insiders, we have no one to blame but ourselves for the leftward lurch of the party. The moderate/liberal wing has to be taught a lesson. Call it what you want, tough love, etc. It has to be done.
“In the previous threads I and a few other freepers tossed around the idea of conservatives voting FOR the HildaBEAST or OBAMA... whichever the case may be....I would liket to present FOUR (4) reasons why I think this is a good strategy for victory in 2012... “
I would feel like I was commiting a sin if I pulled the lever for Obama or Hillary.
And if you do that, the RNC is going to start giving us Hillary’s or Obama’s, because they will think that’s what you want.
You can send a message by voting 3rd party, or writing in a conservative candidate, and you won’t be compromising your principles.
Anyway, why give up on Huckabee? He just won Kansas by a gigantic margin over McCain.
I’m going to vote today in our primary, and probably will not vote for McCain. I may write someone in, or simply leave it undecided.
However, if McCain is the nominee, then I will vote for him in the general, and here’s why: We not only have a moral responsibility to promote conservatism where ever we can, but we also have a moral responsibility to DEFEAT the Democrat party and liberalism where ever we can.
To vote FOR the Democrat party candidate is obviously antithetical to the above axiom. I certainly hope you and others aren’t taking this stance simply because the toothpick (I mean Ann Coulter) said the same thing. Ann Coulter said what she said to get attention; she really doesn’t care about conservatism and especially doesn’t care about DEFEATING liberalism. This much should be obvious. And it should be obvious that voting for the Dem candidate “out of spite” (because that’s what that would be) would be surrendering to the cause of liberalism.
Is McCain even my FIFTH choice? No. Of course not. There aren’t any arguments (except those borne out of, what I like to call, “single issue stress”, or SIS) that make any sense that say “McCain is the same as Hillary”. He’s not.
Can one show me similarities between him and Hillary? I’ll bet you can. But similarity does not equal identity, this is a mathematical axiom, and it’s an axiom we all should remember when voting in the general. No one likes that, ONCE AGAIN, we are forced to choose between the lesser of two evils. But we had plenty of nicely conservative candidates in the beginning of the race; we have no one to blame but OURSELVES for the mess we’re in.
So, behaving like a petulant child and saying, “I’m going to let Hillary/Obama win” or, even worse, “I’m going to vote FOR the GREATER of two evils” is being IRRESPONSIBLE, if not MORALLY REPREHENSIBLE.
I did just that with my primary vote, it was in Illinois however so it was hardly noticed.