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Commentary: Doing away with the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) (Replacing With The Fair Tax)
helium.com ^ | Ken Hoagland

Posted on 02/01/2008 12:06:25 PM PST by Man50D

There has been much misunderstanding-deliberately promoted by income tax system defenders recently-about the effects of the FairTax on different income segments of the taxpaying public. Let's clear the air a bit.

The greatest benefits of tax reductions under the FairTax, according to respected economists, accrue to low income taxpayers (an average 14% reduction) then to the middle class taxpayers(an average 7% reduction) and then even to the wealthy (an average 5% reduction).

How can this be and still raise enough revenues to replace all taxes now collected under the income tax system? It's because the taxpayers base is dramatically broadened under a consumption tax by bringing in illegal immigrants, as consumers, and the $1.5 trillion annual underground economy. In addition, the very wealthy pay the full 23% rate on spending, which is an increase over the typical 15% capital gains tax now paid on dividends and stock gains when redeemed (Warren Buffet's recent complaint). In a nutshell, the more you spend under the FairTax, the more taxes you pay. Remember, too, that all the gimmicks that those with tax lobbyists and tax lawyers are able to exploit in the current 67,500 pages of income tax regulations also disappear (along with the role of tax lobbyists as there are no exemptions, loopholes or deductions).

The President's Advisory Panel on Tax Reform declared that taxes would go up on the middle class under a consumption tax when they ignored the definitions in the actual pending FairTax legislation and created their own flawed consumption tax. They quietly loaded it with exemptions they felt more "realistic", ignored the distributional effects of eliminating highly regressive FICA taxes (you know, the ones that represent the highest tax payments by low and moderate income taxpayers) and refused to examine the $22 million of FairTax research. They then declared a consumption tax (which many writers have wrongly assumed was the FairTax) as requiring a higher rate and punitive to the middle class.

The FairTax monthly prebate actually wipes out all federal taxes on the poor and a diminishing amount of taxes are reimbursed the further one is from the poverty line.

There is great resistance to the FairTax within the circles of those who profit from the complexities of the income tax code. Last year 53% of all lobby expenditures in Washington, DC were paid to tax lobbyists. It's big business that includes not only lobbyists and tax related think tanks and tax reforms groups (entirely devoted to tweaking the income tax code) but academicians who have built careers on understanding the arcane details of the code.

Add to that the center of resistance to a simple, transparent system without gimmicks-the Congressional tax writing committees themselves. In truth, Congressional Members from both parties are addicted to using the tax code to reward friends and contributors, punish opponents and inept attempts to manipulate citizen behavior through the code. In other words, our tax writing process is driven by all the wrong reasons.

This is the single biggest reason that our tax code is so complex that it costs taxpayers $265 billion a year just to complete tax returns. It is so complex that the IRS can't answer taxpayer questions right more than six of ten times. It is so complex, the IRS comes up $350 billion short of owed taxes every year (raising the average taxpayer bill by about $2,000 annually).

On the merits, the FairTax takes politics out of the tax code and the tax code out of business decisions. It is the politics that are tough because passage requires overcoming powerful institutional players. To this end, Mike Huckabee and a host of other candidates have joined 72 Congressional co-sponsors and a growing army of citizens who believe that the public can still drive public policy ( a novel idea first suggested by the Founding Fathers). Otherwise, we are stuck with a system that makes debt more favorable than wealth, puts the "Made in America" label at a severe competitive disadvantage and punishes labor and investment. It's a system driven by politics, power and profit instead of economics or fairness. It's a lucrative gig for those in Washington and a destructive torture for everyone else.

Instead of borrowing money from the Chinese to pay out rebates to American taxpayers (as welcome as they will be) maybe we should think about what happens to the American economy when we make the USA the most desirable "tax haven" in the world. We have lost at least $12 trillion in American capital to offshore locations in recent years. Economists who have studied the FairTax agree that this wealth and a lot more in foreign investment will rush to our shores once the FairTax is enacted.

As FairTaxers say, "Dare to Be Fair". The FairTax won't be perfect and the transition will require adjustments but compared to the badly broken income tax system that so bedevils taxpayers and damages our economy, it's well worth it.

The FairTax research-as well as a recent article on how the FairTax helps the middle class by brilliant Boston University economics chair, Larry Kotlikoff, can be found at FairTax.org


TOPICS: Government
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To: xcamel
Most FT’s, especially a certain few, seem to have a jihad going to trash a thread when real debate breaks out and they’re getting their butts kicked, which by the way, happens quite often.

If it has happened so often as you imagine it ought to be easy for you to point us to a single instance of that happening ever.

Show me!

221 posted on 02/03/2008 5:54:18 PM PST by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: Bigun
Answer me this.. Exactly which premise stated by Smith does not currently exist within the income tax?

After all, if one were to have an IQ above room temperature, One would know the tax rate, the time, the date, the amount, who to write the check to, and ever where to mail it, and if that same one were to be moderately honest, the collector has no power over him whatsoever.

Making Smith into a strawman is a really bad idea.

222 posted on 02/03/2008 5:58:21 PM PST by xcamel (Two-hand-voting now in play - One on lever, other holding nose.)
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To: xcamel
Poor baby. Did we hurt your feelings? Too bad.

Incidentallly, neither of us addressed you -- you're so touchy about that sort of thing.

223 posted on 02/03/2008 6:08:00 PM PST by Turret Gunner A20
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To: xcamel
Answer me this.. Exactly which premise stated by Smith does not currently exist within the income tax?

LOL! ALL of them are grossly violated by the income tax as anyone who is moderately honest will surely attest!

224 posted on 02/03/2008 6:15:15 PM PST by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: xcamel
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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You know, you can actually be funny -- when you aren't trying. This is one of those occaseions. Congratulations.

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225 posted on 02/03/2008 6:19:23 PM PST by Turret Gunner A20
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To: Bigun

Thats quite a claim, or did you just pull that out of your hat?

Please cite all of your data to prove your case in excruciating detail, Please be sure to include footnotes, and legal commentary while youre at it.

Unless, of course...


226 posted on 02/03/2008 6:20:29 PM PST by xcamel (Two-hand-voting now in play - One on lever, other holding nose.)
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To: xcamel
After all, if one were to have an IQ above room temperature ..../i p HAHAHAHA You are trying to pick a fight, aren't you? HAHAHA
227 posted on 02/03/2008 6:22:53 PM PST by Turret Gunner A20
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To: xcamel
After all, if one were to have an IQ above room temperature ..../i p HAHAHAHA You are trying to pick a fight, aren't you? HAHAHA
228 posted on 02/03/2008 6:23:23 PM PST by Turret Gunner A20
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To: xcamel

Res Ipsa Loquitur.


229 posted on 02/03/2008 6:26:47 PM PST by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: Bigun

I didn’t think you could come up with anything...


230 posted on 02/03/2008 6:28:08 PM PST by xcamel (Two-hand-voting now in play - One on lever, other holding nose.)
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To: xcamel
I'm not one to kick someone when he is down.

Not even you.

You have CLEARLY lost this argument.

Sleep well!

231 posted on 02/03/2008 7:11:18 PM PST by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: xcamel
You-don't-get-to-ask-me-any-more-questions.

Like hell I don't:

Do you advocate the continued existence of the income tax and the IRS or not?

Either answer the question or look like a fool. Your choice.

232 posted on 02/03/2008 7:18:02 PM PST by groanup (Don't let the bastards get you down.)
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To: xcamel; lewislynn
Please cite all of your data to prove your case in excruciating detail, Please be sure to include footnotes, and legal commentary while youre at it.

Sounds like x is harassing again. Lewis, what say you?

233 posted on 02/03/2008 7:23:31 PM PST by groanup (Don't let the bastards get you down.)
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To: lewislynn

I think I’ll let the co-postee respond to you lewis.


234 posted on 02/03/2008 7:24:17 PM PST by groanup (Don't let the bastards get you down.)
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To: xcamel; Turret Gunner A20
Why don't you just try to stick to posts that are addressed to you, OK?

Says the guy who endlessly posts insults about others to his comrades without the honor of a ping.

I don't have the time or inclination to go find the million posts you have made about other posters without pinging them - even when using their name! And now you have the gall to suggest the above to someone else? Give me a break.

Do you advocate the continued existence of the income tax and the IRS or not?

235 posted on 02/03/2008 7:33:10 PM PST by groanup (Don't let the bastards get you down.)
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To: Bigun

Still no answers, eh?


236 posted on 02/04/2008 2:47:30 AM PST by xcamel (Two-hand-voting now in play - One on lever, other holding nose.)
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To: groanup
They’re watching you very closely too, and tend to look very dimly on being lied to, You see, the mods can read posting histories too, and if you don’t like hornets, don’t kick the nest.


What I think of the IRS is irrelevant. What you propagandize of the FT is also irrelevant, as it’s never going to happen. You ask the same stupid questions over and over, but sadly for you, consistent repetition is the hobgoblin of the small mind.

So what exactly does that make who look like?

237 posted on 02/04/2008 3:41:46 AM PST by xcamel (Two-hand-voting now in play - One on lever, other holding nose.)
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To: xcamel

Do you advocate the continued existence of the income tax and the IRS or not?


238 posted on 02/04/2008 5:27:10 AM PST by groanup (Don't let the bastards get you down.)
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To: groanup

consistent repetition is the hobgoblin of the small mind.


239 posted on 02/04/2008 5:46:09 AM PST by xcamel (Two-hand-voting now in play - One on lever, other holding nose.)
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To: xcamel
consistent repetition is the hobgoblin of the small mind.

OR:

He who knows not, and knows not that he knows not, is a fool, shun him.

240 posted on 02/04/2008 6:01:42 AM PST by groanup (Don't let the bastards get you down.)
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