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GOP: The Race versus the Base (Pro-Hunter)
A Good Choice ^ | 1/16/08 | Greg Jaye

Posted on 01/16/2008 7:59:05 PM PST by pissant

Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council Action in an Update today wrote,

“The lesson that some are drawing from the results of the Republican presidential voting to date is that the race for the party's nomination is wide open. The deeper lesson is that the race for the GOP agenda is anything but wide open...

“The simple truth is that the conservative coalition--a three-legged stool--stands when social, economic and defense conservatives work together on an interlocking agenda. The coalition collapses when any of the legs is missing. (Dick) Armey and others, especially the early enthusiasts for Rudy Giuliani, suggested that the social conservative leg of the stool is dispensable, or at least that it can be appreciably shortened without impact on the greater stability of the coalition. This thesis is not only false in theory; it now has been decisively shown not to represent what the conservative coalition actually believes. The three winners of the contests to date are each emblematic of one of the legs of the stool, and each is attempting to shore up his standing with the other two "legs":

“In Michigan, these three individuals, now leading their party's nomination race, won more than 85% of the vote. The remainder went to Ron Paul (who represents the small, doctrinaire libertarian portion of the coalition), Fred Thompson (who has all three legs but is struggling to interest voters in them when his manner suggests his own lack of passion for them), and Rudy Giuliani (trailing badly now because each leg of the coalition has a much better option than he is). Giuliani's crushing last-place finish in Michigan only underscores the larger point: the GOP coalition is looking for coherence on all three parts of the message and the base constituency of the party is fairly evenly split among those who hold each of these legs highest when forced to choose among them.

"Somehow or other, if the conservative coalition is to re-form, these three legs need their favorites to unite around the strongest themes of each, to wit: 1) the surge worked, and it is no longer business as usual against radical Islamic terrorism - we will take the fight to them and win for our values (McCain); 2) the government is run with all the efficiency of a barroom brawl where the sailors are bad enough but it's actually the drunken captains doing the damage, and someone with business acumen has to clean it up (Romney); and 3) moral values are indispensable to a free nation that hopes to have and keep small government, and we can't get there without some Old-Time Religion, and those old-timers, our nation's almost uniformly Christian founders, knew it (Huckabee).

Perkins adds, “…There is probably nothing they could do that would be more unifying than to rally now around a platform that embodies the coalition in full…”

Perkins summarizes, “The message: the GOP electorate is asking its leaders to reassemble the stool, plant it firmly in the cockpit of the party, and get the plane fast down the runway and off the ground. The message to Rudy? The tailwinds have passed you by, and the party you want to lead is moving on. The race is not wide open. A unified agenda beckons the GOP to a surge of its own.”

I agree with some of what Perkins is saying, there is a Republican candidate who I believe adequately represents all three legs of the stool and that is Congressman Duncan Hunter. He has been ignored by conservative talk radio, though he is the strongest true conservative. I can understand that he is being ignored by the radically biased liberal main stream media because he is an anathema to all that they believe.

Hunter authored the Life at Conception Bill, he did something constructive about the immigration problem in his home district, San Diego, California – he built a 50 mile long fence while the amnesty loving McCain mouths promises about being the best guy to get our borders secured (LOL). He also opposed our Free Trade policy, which is economically sound than globalist Romney who like President Bush would side with Big Business over the American taxpayer and worker.

Hunter is the only true conservative I see among the GOP candidates. Huckabee, Thompson and Paul may have some of the package, but only Duncan Hunter is the complete package. Unfortunately he is being ignored pretty much by everyone. It seems like conservative talk show hosts are predominately shills for the Republican Party pushing Romney, Giuliani and Thompson as those who could win over Rodham-Clinton. To me I principles are more important than pure politics. I am thoroughly disgusted with that President Bush used me to get into office and has largely betrayed conservative principles and that is exactly what we would have or even worse with a nominee in a McCain, a Romney, a Giuliani or maybe even with a Huckabee.

I hope and pray that someone like a Representative Duncan Hunter rises from the ruins of the increasingly unprincipled GOP and gives me someone for whom I can cast a vote.


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To: counterpunch

>>>Close enough that I think Hunter will be satisfied and deliver his delegate(s) to *uckabee.

Does that mean you are taking the bet?


61 posted on 01/16/2008 9:23:52 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: airborne
" Romney who like President Bush would side with Big Business over the American taxpayer and worker."

I side with big Business over the American tax payer and worker.

Your words sound a like a Marxist slogan. Is this what Hunter supporters and or Duncan Hunter support?

It has been men like Sam Walton the founder of Wal-mart and the great industrialists who came to a barren wasteland in the 1800's U.S. and built giant factories there that gave uneducated people jobs so they could shop at new shops and build a town.

This country is great because of capitalism because of companies like Intel,AMD, AT&T, Bellsouth, Google,Dell , UPS, Wal-mart, GE,IBM, companies that advance technology and run the economy not the average government educated idiot who thinks America is great because of the government and who can't place Mississippi on a map.

62 posted on 01/16/2008 9:24:35 PM PST by Democrat_media (Democrats are communists/Socialists.Socialism is an economic disaster.)
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To: Democrat_media

Your post and tag line are oxymorons.


63 posted on 01/16/2008 9:27:32 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Calpernia
You mean the Fair Tax plan that Duncan Hunter SPONSORED?
Yes, that's the one.
You just made the strongest argument proving my point that Duncan Hunter is going to throw his support to Mike *uckabee for the GOP nomination.
Hunter is going to want the only candidate in the race who supports his tax legislation as the GOP nominee and president, where he will campaign on Hunter's tax plan raising awareness of it and moving it closer to getting passed. *uckabee is also the only candidate who would sign Hunter's tax plan into law if passed.

That sounds like a very compelling reason for why Duncan Hunter will end up giving his delegate(s) to Mike *uckabee at the GOP convention.
 
64 posted on 01/16/2008 9:31:57 PM PST by counterpunch (GOP Convention '08 — Go For Brokered!)
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To: Calpernia
No I’m for capitalism which means private companies like Wal-mart , Intel, Bellsouth, Google ,IBM, etc.

I’m against government ownership and government planning (socialism).socialism doesn't work.

I’m not for the worker but I am for private small business and private big business. Unions and Marxists say they are for the worker ,”Workers of the world unite”, and all that trash.

65 posted on 01/16/2008 9:34:30 PM PST by Democrat_media (Democrats are communists/Socialists.Socialism is an economic disaster.)
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To: Calpernia

I don’t gamble, it goes against my personal morals.
Sorry to hear that it doesn’t go against yours.


66 posted on 01/16/2008 9:34:47 PM PST by counterpunch (GOP Convention '08 — Go For Brokered!)
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To: Democrat_media
This country is great because of capitalism because of companies like Intel,AMD, AT&T, Bellsouth, Google,Dell , UPS, Wal-mart, GE,IBM

I work for one of those giant companies. Did you know that UPS was started by a couple of teenagers on bicycles delivering parcels business to business in Seattle in 1907? It wasn't the big business it is today. That, my dear friend, is how this country was built. Not by "Big Business" but by enterprising individuals seeking a better life for themselves by providing goods and services to others. Some of those endeavors grew into huge businesses, but it is the small business that is the backbone of this country.

The only difference between "Big Business" and "Main Street, Anytown, USA Business" is the number of individuals involved.

67 posted on 01/16/2008 9:46:40 PM PST by upsdriver (Duncan Hunter: For those who demand the very best!!)
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To: counterpunch; Calpernia

LOL!! WIMPY!WIMPY!WIMPY!

I don’t gamble either, Bet you didn’t know that?:)


68 posted on 01/16/2008 9:50:13 PM PST by upsdriver (Duncan Hunter: For those who demand the very best!!)
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To: Democrat_media

Apples & oranges. Pro-business and advancing capitalism and a free market, yes. Clinging to antiquated, stupid trade deals at the expense of the middle-class and the American worker, NO! Promoting illegal immigration by employing illegals at the expense of the wages of the American worker, NO!

Hunter wants to remove the tax burden from American manufacturers to make them competitive. That sounds pro- business to me. Negotiating is a big part of business and I don’t see how wanting to negotiate a new deal is Marxist?

Like I said, apples & oranges. We have to make distinctions between business and modern-day robber-barons. I think by big business most Hunter supporters are referring to a parasitic Wall St. consumed by greed. I took note that when you call the help line for many of the companies you mentioned you can’t understand a damn word they are saying. Can you guess why? I would also disagree that WalMart is this great business that you have described it as. Walmart just managed to create some low-paying service jobs here for high-paying manufacturing jobs that went overseas. In the process, a lot of small towns lost a lot of their character and charm and small businesses fell one by one. Of course, that is the nature of business so I can’t fault WalMart for Mom & Pops not being able to compete, but I am surely not convinced it is altogether a good thing.


69 posted on 01/16/2008 9:55:41 PM PST by WildcatClan (HUNTER '08 ---- Bravely we hope against all hope.)
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To: upsdriver

I doubt small businesses can do what Intel or Toshiba or Bellsouth can.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0503/05032903tosh1minbatt.asp
Toshiba has today announced a new lithium ion battery, which, it claims, can recharge 80% of the battery’s energy capacity in just one minute, 60 times faster than the other lithium ion cells. It takes an unspecified ‘few’ more minutes for a complete recharge. The battery has a long life cycle, losing only 1% of its capacity after 1,000 cycles of discharging and recharging. Due to be launched next year, it will initially be used to power hybrid electric vehicles but could be used for smaller devices in future, such as mobile phones and digital cameras.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2087985,00.asp
Intel unveiled details of its next-generation Core 2 processors, code-named “Penryn,” to the technology press on Thursday.

Just as AMD catches up with Intel by moving to a 65 nm process technology, Intel is poised to push ahead to 45 nm. According to Intel Vice President Steve Smith, Intel’s new 45 nm CPUs are slated to begin production sometime in the second half of 2007. The company is readying three 45 nm fabs by 2008: The D1D fab in Oregon and Fab 32 in Arizona are slated for 45 nm production before the end of the year, while a third, Fab 28 will come online in Israel sometime during the first half of 2008. The 45 nm fabs will be added to the existing 65 nm fab facilities, and all are capable of using 300mm wafers.

Phone companies run,maintain and manage the internet. small businesses or government can’t do that.


70 posted on 01/16/2008 10:00:51 PM PST by Democrat_media (Democrats are communists/Socialists.Socialism is an economic disaster.)
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To: WildcatClan

I save thousands of dollars shopping at Wal-mart and 100 million customers a week also are saving big. That helps the economy because this is like a huge tax cut because consumers can use the money they saved at Wal-mart to spend money buying products and services from other businesses small and large.

Anyone whose stocks rose in the late 1990s owes Wal-Mart, the world’s biggest company. It alone accounted for as much as 25% of the U.S. productivity gains from 1995-99, says consultant McKinsey & Co. Such gains drove corporate profits, thus stock prices.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2003-01-28-walmartnation_x.htm


71 posted on 01/16/2008 10:06:58 PM PST by Democrat_media (Democrats are communists/Socialists.Socialism is an economic disaster.)
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To: Democrat_media

Did Toshiba announce how they are going to keep this battery from burning up whatever it is used to power? Did they also announce that the money for the research for this new battery came from selling us out to the Soviets? I suppose not, that money was spent long ago I would imagine.


72 posted on 01/16/2008 10:09:57 PM PST by WildcatClan (HUNTER '08 ---- Bravely we hope against all hope.)
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To: Democrat_media

The wife might agree that spending is saving, but I don’t. It was on “sale”. I am sure the ChiCom crap is cheap, with that I agree; But is it a good investment? You get what you pay for and I don’t need to learn that twice. I suppose I can live with it, if they can, doesn’t bother me. I can usually find a decent American or Japanese product that I am satisfied with for the most part. American textiles were superior to all others and it is the textiles that are harder to find and that I miss the most.


73 posted on 01/16/2008 10:26:06 PM PST by WildcatClan (HUNTER '08 ---- Bravely we hope against all hope.)
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To: Democrat_media

“I save thousands of dollars shopping at Wal-mart and 100 million customers a week also are saving big. That helps the economy because this is like a huge tax cut because consumers can use the money they saved at Wal-mart to spend money buying products and services from other businesses small and large.”

So true. The same goes for all the illegals in our country helping to keep the price of everything from housing to lettuce down.


74 posted on 01/16/2008 10:48:09 PM PST by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory. ------ www.gohunter08.com ------)
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To: counterpunch
Both have a strong thread of evangelism to their campaigns.
Please cite your case for this comment.

Both cite abortion as their top issue.
I know what Hunter has done about it. What has the other one ever done to stop the slaughter?

Both support the so-called FairTax.
You prefer the present tax mess?

Both are trade protectionists.
Clearly you have no clue what you are talking about.
If being unwilling to surrender the sovereignty of our nation, is being a protectionist, than I'm all for it. But it has nothing to do with trade.

Both have signed the No Amnesty pledge.
ROTFLOL!!! Duncan Hunter has a 27 year record fighting the illegal alien invasion with VOTES and FENCES to prove it. If you think some snot nosed punk is going to convince anyone he is serious about the illegal invasion simply because he "says so" during an election year, you need to change your meds. He may not have much of a record to examine, but he does have one and it does not match his road to Des Moines rhetoric.

Both are anti-globalists “fair traders”.
You say that like it is a bad thing. You need to show some proof that your boy is what you say he is 'cause I ain't buying it.

These baseless attacks on a good man with no facts to back them up are getting on my nerves and I only have one left!

75 posted on 01/16/2008 11:18:17 PM PST by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Just A Nobody

I’m not for *uckabee. He’s not my boy.
But he will be yours once Duncan Hunter endorses him.
So good luck with that.


76 posted on 01/16/2008 11:21:11 PM PST by counterpunch (GOP Convention '08 — Go For Brokered!)
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To: counterpunch

Fred’s a poser. Fred’s a loser. Fred’s a gonna join McCain after he drops out. Great ‘conservative’ Fraud is.


77 posted on 01/16/2008 11:25:59 PM PST by bushfamfan (DUNCAN HUNTER '08: the only candidate whose record matches his talk.)
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To: counterpunch
Read and Learn -- They are not too close to each other on anything!
78 posted on 01/16/2008 11:26:30 PM PST by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: pissant

In fairness, wouldn’t it be kinda hard when it resembles the face?!


79 posted on 01/16/2008 11:28:03 PM PST by bushfamfan (DUNCAN HUNTER '08: the only candidate whose record matches his talk.)
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To: bushfamfan

Fred’s not dropping out and he’s not endorsing McCain.
That’s a lie being spread by the *uckabee camp, which makes you their tool.
Duncan Hunter will be giving his delegates to *uckabee, and *uckabee is going to combine his delegates with McCain for a McCain-Huckabee ticket, BTW. So it’s your vote that will ultimately go to nominate John McCain.

Read up on it, chump!
It’s already well known on FR.


80 posted on 01/16/2008 11:28:21 PM PST by counterpunch (GOP Convention '08 — Go For Brokered!)
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