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RINO or Conservative: Who Scores Best?
1/15/08 | Dwar

Posted on 01/15/2008 10:37:17 AM PST by DWar

If Fred Thompson or Duncan Hunter don't "make it" and it becomes necessary to vote while holding my nose and puking, I tried to devise a rational way to determine which RINO (Republican In Name Only) would make me the least ill. I identified my top issues and prioritized them based on:

It seemed rational that issues like being conquered by illegal immigrants or losing the war, being more immediate, potentially negative and unchangeable, were more critical than even important issues like Gay Rights or Healthcare. Therefore issues that are more immediate, more negative and that were relatively unchangeable were more highly prioritized.

I’ve spent weeks researching and analyzing the candidates’ quotes and votes. I have watched every debate more than once and spent dozens of hours on numerous websites including http://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm, to make some judgments about their level of conservatism.

Taking into consideration the, "If their lips are moving, they're lying" factor, I marked a candidate lower if I thought their stated position was shaded like with Huckabee on Taxes, McCain on Immigration, Romney on Gay Rights or Giuliani on Guns. They were marked down a bit even if their position today sounds rock solid conservative.

Consideration was also given to whom their past constituencies were. They are all politicians and in past statements or votes they sometimes had to speak or vote in a way that is a little less than straight forward than they might have liked. Like every smart husband has to do when his wife asks,”Do these pants make my rear end look fat?” The way he answers depends on who his wife is; Eva Longoria or Rosie O’Donnell.

I included two categories usually not even considered, as the first and second in importance; Stability of Personality and Electability. While excitement, passion and a certain impulsiveness may be desirable in a candidate, stability and deliberativeness are necessary in a president. An unstable personality in a president would be a disaster waiting to happen.

In addition, none of the conservative political agenda has any hope of being followed with Hillary or Obama in the White House. Therefore electablity is not a sacrifice of conservative principle but rather the most important of conservative principles. Winning and getting something, is better than losing and getting nothing. Even Reagan wasn’t “Reagan” (the size of both the government and the budget grew) but it was important for conservatism that he won.

The ranking scale range is:

I separated and subtotaled the top 10 and the top 20 from the total to see how the candidates compare on the most important issues as opposed to the total. If a candidate scored in the middle on the total of issues but the highest on the top 10, I might want to support him.

In the interest of full disclosure I have taken multiple candidate preference quizzes. They always come out with my order of preference being Hunter and Thompson numbers 1 & 2 with the others in various positions depending on the quiz. My desire is for the most conservative candidate who is also electable to win the nomination.

This is a work in progress. Adjustments to the matrix are made regularly as other issues come to my attention, issues rise or fall in importance or candidates appear to change positions.

As of now the order of most conservative to most liberal are:

On the top ten issues:

On the top twenty issues:

On the totality of issues (33):

Feedback is welcome.

Candidates Side by Side Comparison

Issue Immediacy Negativity Changeability
Giuliani Huck Hunter McCain Romney Thompson
1- Stability of Personality Imminent Devastating Unchangeable 8 8 10 5 10 10
2- Electablity Imminent Devastating Unchangeable 8 5 2 10 8 5
3- Illegal Immigration Imminent Devastating Unchangeable 5 2 10 0 10 10
4- War in Iraq Imminent Devastating Unchangeable 10 10 10 10 10 10
5- War on Terror Imminent Devastating Unchangeable 10 5 10 5 10 10
6- SCOTUS appts Urgent Devastating Unchangeable 10 5 10 2 10 10
7- Guns & 2nd Amend Urgent Devastating Unchangeable 0 10 10 0 5 10
8- Business/infl/rec Imminent Powerful Changeable 10 8 10 5 10 10
9- Lower Taxes Imminent Powerful Changeable 10 2 10 2 10 10
10- Iran Urgent Devastating Changeable 10 5 10 10 10 10
Top 10 Total 81 60 92 49 93 95
11- Pro-Life Urgent Devastating Changeable 0 10 10 10 8 8
12- Healthcare- gov run Urgent Devastating Unchangeable 10 5 10 8 5 10
13- Soc Sec Urgent Devastating Unchangeable 10 10 10 10 10 8
14- Internet Neutrality Urgent Devastating Unchangeable 10 0 10 10 10 10
15- Internet Tax Urgent Devastating Unchangeable 10 0 10 10 10 10
16- Kyoto Treaty Urgent Devastating Changeable 10 8 10 10 10 10
17- Global Warming Urgent Devastating Changeable 0 0 10 0 5 8
18- Energy Indy Urgent Powerful Changeable 8 8 10 5 10 10
19- ANWAR Drilling Urgent Powerful Changeable 5 10 10 0 10 10
20- Globalism & Free Trd Urgent Powerful Changeable 2 8 8 2 2 2
Top 20 Total 146 119 190 117 173 181
21- Military Strength Urgent Powerful Changeable 10 10 10 10 10 10
22- Guantanamo Urgent Powerful Changeable 10 0 10 0 10 10
23- Waterboarding Urgent Powerful Changeable 10 0 10 0 10 10
24- Tax Reform Urgent Powerful Changeable 10 10 10 8 10 8
25- Gay Rights Serious Powerful Unchangeable 0 10 10 5 8 8
26- CFR & 1st Amend Serious Powerful Changeable 0 0 10 0 10 0
27- Crime Serious Strong Changeable 10 5 10 10 10 10
28- Education Serious Powerful Changeable 5 5 5 5 5 5
29- Death Penalty Serious Strong Changeable 10 10 10 10 10 10
30- Tort Reform Serious Strong Changeable 10 8 10 5 10 5
31- School Vouchers Serious Strong Changeable 10 10 10 10 10 10
32- Federalism Serious Strong Changeable 5 8 10 5 8 10
33- Affirmative Action Serious Strong Changeable 5 8 10 5 8 2
All Issues Total 241 203 315 190 292 279
Conservative= 10
Conservative tendencies= 8
Moderate or Unreliable=5
Liberal tendencies= 2
Liberal= 0


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To: DWar

My answer is obvious.


221 posted on 01/15/2008 7:30:02 PM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: DWar

If he was nominated, I could support Rudy much faster than many here


222 posted on 01/15/2008 7:31:34 PM PST by RDTF
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To: cripplecreek

I know you’re a FRedhead. That’s great! But I’m interested in input about the specifics of the issues on the chart.

Thanks for the consideration.


223 posted on 01/15/2008 7:32:41 PM PST by DWar (The perfect is the enemy of the excellent!!)
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To: DWar
You misunderstood.

I do think electability is an important criteria for selecting which candidate to support.

It is just not part of what makes someone conservative.

At this point in time I am unelectable and could not support my own candidacy.

If it were me picking the ONE candidate who would be POTUS, it would be myself.

Back in the real world... I would pick Hunter over Keyes not because he is more conservative or even just because he is more electable, but also because he has much more practical experience and due to his superior leadership skills among other things.

You are right that electability plays a role.

But you must define electability. Good looks and charm will not overcome being exposed as a fraud.

Electability is whatever the voters say.

By supporting Hunter we make him electable.

He will not appeal to a hard-core liberal.

He may loose a few moderates. But he will pick up some moderate Democrats who are conservative on one or two issues such as abortion.

All things being equal, we need a solid conservative to counter an extreme left wing Democrat, which all of the front runners of that party are.

I trust that there are enough Americans who have a true sense of right and wrong who will strongly support a genuine, across-the-board conservative enough to overcome those whose minds are corrupted by the disease of liberalism, those who are willing to sellout this nation to politicians who buy votes with tax dollars that do not belong to them, and voter fraud, and media bias, and all other unjust reasons why a conservative might fail.

In fact, I will go so far as to say that if conservatives stick to their core values we will win against all odds. We must have faith that our conservatism is right. Obviously we do not. We either don't believe it fully, or we are cowards that do not deserve to be represented by a conservative president. We have lost on the battleground of ideas, not because conservatism is wrong, but because we failed to fight for it on the this basis. We cannot win by playing the liberals' games. Look at Nixon. Nixon could have been a great president. He was so afraid of being cheated, that he cheated. That's not conservatism. Liberals believe in winning at all cost. We do not, nor should we. We must win on the basis of principle. If we reject our core principles we have nothing. That is all we have. Marketing, advertising, slick slogans may have a place; but most voters want substance and hate phoniness. After losing Congress I really thought Republicans had learned their lesson. But no, we seem to love making the same mistakes.

God will bless truth, righteousness and justice. Not the phony-baloney televangelist (who proclaim that God’s gifts are for sale) self-aggrandizing kind. (And I am not calling Huckabee these things. I am pointing out how Christians' eagerness to trust is easy to exploit.) Duncan Hunter is the real deal.

It is a crying shame that he is not THE candidate under consideration by everyone who claims to be conservative.

If Fred Thompson was 100% conservative, I would back him because of where he is in the polls.

Right now there is a strong chance that the Republican nomination will be determined late, and big conservative states like Texas will have a say.

Right now, I will stick with Hunter.

He needs to make the call as to how long to stay in the race if he does not experience a surge. If he pulls out and endorses Thompson, I will too.

However, if Evangelicals wake up to the error and risks of backing Huckabee, they will need to find a new home. Hunter is the only candidate that could be supported as much by this cross section of the party.

By the way, I love your tagline.

224 posted on 01/15/2008 7:33:14 PM PST by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: DWar

I’m a Hunterite but could tolerate Fred.


225 posted on 01/15/2008 7:35:23 PM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: unlearner

I appreciate your principled position and your thoughtful post. Thanks much and God bless.


226 posted on 01/15/2008 7:37:28 PM PST by DWar (The perfect is the enemy of the excellent!!)
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To: DWar
"The post was in response to a question about the changeabiity versus the unchangeability of an issue."

Oh, O.K., that helps. Thanks.

FWIW; I have not noticed any President changing anything important for the better.

Come to that, Congress either!

227 posted on 01/15/2008 7:39:24 PM PST by Designer
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To: cripplecreek

So if the GOP nominated someone other than Hunter or Thompson and your vote would be the deciding one cast would you abandon the nation and allow Hillary to win?


228 posted on 01/15/2008 7:39:59 PM PST by DWar (The perfect is the enemy of the excellent!!)
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To: DWar

Ok.... Fred Thompson and Duncan Hunter are the ONLY one’s that will do.... RINOS need not to apply.


229 posted on 01/15/2008 7:40:38 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: Designer

Good points.


230 posted on 01/15/2008 7:41:37 PM PST by DWar (The perfect is the enemy of the excellent!!)
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To: DWar

Even if I have to .... I’ll write in Fred Thompson’s name this November.


231 posted on 01/15/2008 7:41:40 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: DWar
"At some point we've gotta trust one of these guys."

So why not pick the one who is the most consistent?

You know who he is.

He is also the most conservative as well.

232 posted on 01/15/2008 7:42:36 PM PST by Designer
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To: DWar; WOSG

I’ve long thought that given a choice between Huck, McCain, Rudy, and Romney, Romney was the obvious choice for Freepers.

I remain convinced of that.


233 posted on 01/15/2008 7:42:57 PM PST by Checkers (John McCain is Bob Dole minus the character, humor, class, record, loyalty, mental fitness..)
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To: DWar

Some of the numbers aren’t exactly accurate....far too kind to the RINOs.


234 posted on 01/15/2008 7:43:57 PM PST by RasterMaster (Rudy McRomneyson = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party)
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To: DWar

You caught me in the last few minutes of FReeping for the day. I’m about to knock off.

I promise to address your post in the morning.

I did see it earlier in the day. Looks like you went to quite a bit of work to put out the information, and that is appreciated.

I’ll be back...


235 posted on 01/15/2008 7:44:44 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: Checkers

Any input for me on the issues matrix?


236 posted on 01/15/2008 7:44:45 PM PST by DWar (The perfect is the enemy of the excellent!!)
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To: DWar

Rudy would destroy the Republican Party by moving it to the left of the American Political Spectrum.

Rudy would be worse than Hillary.


237 posted on 01/15/2008 7:45:08 PM PST by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: trumandogz

Any input for me on the issues matrix?


238 posted on 01/15/2008 7:46:29 PM PST by DWar (The perfect is the enemy of the excellent!!)
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To: bluebeak

Bump!


239 posted on 01/15/2008 7:47:09 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: DWar

Everything for McCain, Julie-Annie and Huckabee looks devastating...


240 posted on 01/15/2008 7:56:32 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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