Posted on 01/15/2008 10:37:17 AM PST by DWar
If Fred Thompson or Duncan Hunter don't "make it" and it becomes necessary to vote while holding my nose and puking, I tried to devise a rational way to determine which RINO (Republican In Name Only) would make me the least ill. I identified my top issues and prioritized them based on:
Ive spent weeks researching and analyzing the candidates quotes and votes. I have watched every debate more than once and spent dozens of hours on numerous websites including http://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm, to make some judgments about their level of conservatism.
Taking into consideration the, "If their lips are moving, they're lying" factor, I marked a candidate lower if I thought their stated position was shaded like with Huckabee on Taxes, McCain on Immigration, Romney on Gay Rights or Giuliani on Guns. They were marked down a bit even if their position today sounds rock solid conservative.
Consideration was also given to whom their past constituencies were. They are all politicians and in past statements or votes they sometimes had to speak or vote in a way that is a little less than straight forward than they might have liked. Like every smart husband has to do when his wife asks,Do these pants make my rear end look fat? The way he answers depends on who his wife is; Eva Longoria or Rosie ODonnell.
I included two categories usually not even considered, as the first and second in importance; Stability of Personality and Electability. While excitement, passion and a certain impulsiveness may be desirable in a candidate, stability and deliberativeness are necessary in a president. An unstable personality in a president would be a disaster waiting to happen.
In addition, none of the conservative political agenda has any hope of being followed with Hillary or Obama in the White House. Therefore electablity is not a sacrifice of conservative principle but rather the most important of conservative principles. Winning and getting something, is better than losing and getting nothing. Even Reagan wasnt Reagan (the size of both the government and the budget grew) but it was important for conservatism that he won.
The ranking scale range is:
In the interest of full disclosure I have taken multiple candidate preference quizzes. They always come out with my order of preference being Hunter and Thompson numbers 1 & 2 with the others in various positions depending on the quiz. My desire is for the most conservative candidate who is also electable to win the nomination.
This is a work in progress. Adjustments to the matrix are made regularly as other issues come to my attention, issues rise or fall in importance or candidates appear to change positions.
As of now the order of most conservative to most liberal are:
On the top ten issues:
On the top twenty issues:
On the totality of issues (33):
Feedback is welcome.
Candidates Side by Side Comparison
Issue | Immediacy | Negativity | Changeability | ||||||
Giuliani | Huck | Hunter | McCain | Romney | Thompson | ||||
1- Stability of Personality | Imminent | Devastating | Unchangeable | 8 | 8 | 10 | 5 | 10 | 10 |
2- Electablity | Imminent | Devastating | Unchangeable | 8 | 5 | 2 | 10 | 8 | 5 |
3- Illegal Immigration | Imminent | Devastating | Unchangeable | 5 | 2 | 10 | 0 | 10 | 10 |
4- War in Iraq | Imminent | Devastating | Unchangeable | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 |
5- War on Terror | Imminent | Devastating | Unchangeable | 10 | 5 | 10 | 5 | 10 | 10 |
6- SCOTUS appts | Urgent | Devastating | Unchangeable | 10 | 5 | 10 | 2 | 10 | 10 |
7- Guns & 2nd Amend | Urgent | Devastating | Unchangeable | 0 | 10 | 10 | 0 | 5 | 10 |
8- Business/infl/rec | Imminent | Powerful | Changeable | 10 | 8 | 10 | 5 | 10 | 10 |
9- Lower Taxes | Imminent | Powerful | Changeable | 10 | 2 | 10 | 2 | 10 | 10 |
10- Iran | Urgent | Devastating | Changeable | 10 | 5 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 |
Top 10 Total | 81 | 60 | 92 | 49 | 93 | 95 | |||
11- Pro-Life | Urgent | Devastating | Changeable | 0 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 8 | 8 |
12- Healthcare- gov run | Urgent | Devastating | Unchangeable | 10 | 5 | 10 | 8 | 5 | 10 |
13- Soc Sec | Urgent | Devastating | Unchangeable | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 8 |
14- Internet Neutrality | Urgent | Devastating | Unchangeable | 10 | 0 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 |
15- Internet Tax | Urgent | Devastating | Unchangeable | 10 | 0 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 |
16- Kyoto Treaty | Urgent | Devastating | Changeable | 10 | 8 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 |
17- Global Warming | Urgent | Devastating | Changeable | 0 | 0 | 10 | 0 | 5 | 8 |
18- Energy Indy | Urgent | Powerful | Changeable | 8 | 8 | 10 | 5 | 10 | 10 |
19- ANWAR Drilling | Urgent | Powerful | Changeable | 5 | 10 | 10 | 0 | 10 | 10 |
20- Globalism & Free Trd | Urgent | Powerful | Changeable | 2 | 8 | 8 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
Top 20 Total | 146 | 119 | 190 | 117 | 173 | 181 | |||
21- Military Strength | Urgent | Powerful | Changeable | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 |
22- Guantanamo | Urgent | Powerful | Changeable | 10 | 0 | 10 | 0 | 10 | 10 |
23- Waterboarding | Urgent | Powerful | Changeable | 10 | 0 | 10 | 0 | 10 | 10 |
24- Tax Reform | Urgent | Powerful | Changeable | 10 | 10 | 10 | 8 | 10 | 8 |
25- Gay Rights | Serious | Powerful | Unchangeable | 0 | 10 | 10 | 5 | 8 | 8 |
26- CFR & 1st Amend | Serious | Powerful | Changeable | 0 | 0 | 10 | 0 | 10 | 0 |
27- Crime | Serious | Strong | Changeable | 10 | 5 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 |
28- Education | Serious | Powerful | Changeable | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 |
29- Death Penalty | Serious | Strong | Changeable | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 |
30- Tort Reform | Serious | Strong | Changeable | 10 | 8 | 10 | 5 | 10 | 5 |
31- School Vouchers | Serious | Strong | Changeable | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 |
32- Federalism | Serious | Strong | Changeable | 5 | 8 | 10 | 5 | 8 | 10 |
33- Affirmative Action | Serious | Strong | Changeable | 5 | 8 | 10 | 5 | 8 | 2 |
All Issues Total | 241 | 203 | 315 | 190 | 292 | 279 | |||
Conservative= 10 | |||||||||
Conservative tendencies= 8 | |||||||||
Moderate or Unreliable=5 | |||||||||
Liberal tendencies= 2 | |||||||||
Liberal= 0 |
My answer is obvious.
If he was nominated, I could support Rudy much faster than many here
I know you’re a FRedhead. That’s great! But I’m interested in input about the specifics of the issues on the chart.
Thanks for the consideration.
I do think electability is an important criteria for selecting which candidate to support.
It is just not part of what makes someone conservative.
At this point in time I am unelectable and could not support my own candidacy.
If it were me picking the ONE candidate who would be POTUS, it would be myself.
Back in the real world... I would pick Hunter over Keyes not because he is more conservative or even just because he is more electable, but also because he has much more practical experience and due to his superior leadership skills among other things.
You are right that electability plays a role.
But you must define electability. Good looks and charm will not overcome being exposed as a fraud.
Electability is whatever the voters say.
By supporting Hunter we make him electable.
He will not appeal to a hard-core liberal.
He may loose a few moderates. But he will pick up some moderate Democrats who are conservative on one or two issues such as abortion.
All things being equal, we need a solid conservative to counter an extreme left wing Democrat, which all of the front runners of that party are.
I trust that there are enough Americans who have a true sense of right and wrong who will strongly support a genuine, across-the-board conservative enough to overcome those whose minds are corrupted by the disease of liberalism, those who are willing to sellout this nation to politicians who buy votes with tax dollars that do not belong to them, and voter fraud, and media bias, and all other unjust reasons why a conservative might fail.
In fact, I will go so far as to say that if conservatives stick to their core values we will win against all odds. We must have faith that our conservatism is right. Obviously we do not. We either don't believe it fully, or we are cowards that do not deserve to be represented by a conservative president. We have lost on the battleground of ideas, not because conservatism is wrong, but because we failed to fight for it on the this basis. We cannot win by playing the liberals' games. Look at Nixon. Nixon could have been a great president. He was so afraid of being cheated, that he cheated. That's not conservatism. Liberals believe in winning at all cost. We do not, nor should we. We must win on the basis of principle. If we reject our core principles we have nothing. That is all we have. Marketing, advertising, slick slogans may have a place; but most voters want substance and hate phoniness. After losing Congress I really thought Republicans had learned their lesson. But no, we seem to love making the same mistakes.
God will bless truth, righteousness and justice. Not the phony-baloney televangelist (who proclaim that God’s gifts are for sale) self-aggrandizing kind. (And I am not calling Huckabee these things. I am pointing out how Christians' eagerness to trust is easy to exploit.) Duncan Hunter is the real deal.
It is a crying shame that he is not THE candidate under consideration by everyone who claims to be conservative.
If Fred Thompson was 100% conservative, I would back him because of where he is in the polls.
Right now there is a strong chance that the Republican nomination will be determined late, and big conservative states like Texas will have a say.
Right now, I will stick with Hunter.
He needs to make the call as to how long to stay in the race if he does not experience a surge. If he pulls out and endorses Thompson, I will too.
However, if Evangelicals wake up to the error and risks of backing Huckabee, they will need to find a new home. Hunter is the only candidate that could be supported as much by this cross section of the party.
By the way, I love your tagline.
I’m a Hunterite but could tolerate Fred.
I appreciate your principled position and your thoughtful post. Thanks much and God bless.
Oh, O.K., that helps. Thanks.
FWIW; I have not noticed any President changing anything important for the better.
Come to that, Congress either!
So if the GOP nominated someone other than Hunter or Thompson and your vote would be the deciding one cast would you abandon the nation and allow Hillary to win?
Ok.... Fred Thompson and Duncan Hunter are the ONLY one’s that will do.... RINOS need not to apply.
Good points.
Even if I have to .... I’ll write in Fred Thompson’s name this November.
So why not pick the one who is the most consistent?
You know who he is.
He is also the most conservative as well.
I’ve long thought that given a choice between Huck, McCain, Rudy, and Romney, Romney was the obvious choice for Freepers.
I remain convinced of that.
Some of the numbers aren’t exactly accurate....far too kind to the RINOs.
You caught me in the last few minutes of FReeping for the day. I’m about to knock off.
I promise to address your post in the morning.
I did see it earlier in the day. Looks like you went to quite a bit of work to put out the information, and that is appreciated.
I’ll be back...
Any input for me on the issues matrix?
Rudy would destroy the Republican Party by moving it to the left of the American Political Spectrum.
Rudy would be worse than Hillary.
Any input for me on the issues matrix?
Bump!
Everything for McCain, Julie-Annie and Huckabee looks devastating...
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