Need Freeper expert on spiders

[Battle Axe]

We just buried a 58 year old very healthy Amish man who died from a spider bite. I need some Freeper help as I am just an entomologisit.

The question is: would any spider bite result in a large blood clot?

[RightWhale]

Brown recluse

[TornadoAlley3]

brown recluse spider

[xcamel]

bingo.
very nasty.

[digger48]

Google Brown recluse bite.

Have a strong stomach

[bert]

from the web.....

The venom also induces in its victim an immune response. The victim’s immune system releases inflammatory agents—histamines, cytokines, and interleukins—that signal specific disease-fighting white blood cells to the area of injury. In severe cases, however, these same inflammatory agents can themselves cause injury. These secondary effects of the venom, although extremely rare, can produce these more significant side effects of the spider bite:

Destruction of red blood cells

Low platelet count

Blood clots in capillaries and loss of ability to form clots where needed

Acute renal failure (kidney damage)

Coma

Death

[SIDENET]

This came up as a search result for "Brown Recluse". Just looking at this picture gives me the heebie jeebies.

[GeorgiaDawg32]

brown recluse is my guess also..nasty little sucker..

[IM2MAD]

Did he seek medical help? How long between being bitten and death?

[SpaceBar]

A lot of brown recluse responses here, but even an otherwise innocuous spider, harmless to most people can illicit a fatal shock response in sensitive individuals. Someone close to our family died recently from such a bite.

[SWAMPSNIPER]

A Brown Recluse bite is likely to become infected, in addition to the effects of the venom, it is serious.

[#1CTYankee]

Brown recluse, probably got bit in a barn.

[Battle Axe]

This man, age 58, was bitten last fall on the last day of harvest. I think there was some swelling, but the result was a blood clot, somewhere in his thigh. The physicians told him to lay still in bed for 16 weeks.....yeah tell that to any man.

About ten weeks of that and he was on cuminiden can’t spell it....Rat poison blood thinner. He, being Amish, decided that was not for him. There was no improvement with this treatment. So he went to the Amish naturalist. Had been on that for about 7 weeks. The blood clot was beginning to break up. But he felt bad one day, Monday. His wife urged him to go to the dr. Finally at noon he went and was in the drs. office when he died at l:16p.m. He was breaking out in a sweat.

Did something from that blood clot break loose, or was it really a spider bite. It was NOT a brown recluse. He never had any of the sloughing of skin which is typical of that. We do have the Northern Ohio black widow here. I have seen two. They are almost as big as the ones in Calif. but have a dull appearance and are slightly elongated where the Calif. ones are a little more round.

Supposedly there were two stab wounds at the site, which fits a spider.

[DouglasKC]

This man, age 58, was bitten last fall on the last day of harvest. I think there was some swelling, but the result was a blood clot, somewhere in his thigh. The physicians told him to lay still in bed for 16 weeks.....yeah tell that to any man.

Sounds like a pulmonary embolism. My mom died from the same thing. It may have had nothing at all to do with a spider bite.

[SpaceBar]

Did something from that blood clot break loose, or was it really a spider bite.

The two are not mutually exclusive. An autopsy would clear up the immediate cause of death, but the spider bite incident and the later complications sound related judging from your account of the incident. The person who died that I mentioned above was an otherwise healthy adult female, with no history indicating such a response. She was bitten in her home, went to the emergency room complaining of shortness of breath and dizziness, and died shortly thereafter. It was very unexpected and tragic.

[RightWhale]

That one looks like it is about to spawn about 10,000 babies.

[Secret Agent Man]

That’s what I was thinking too. There are emergency kits out there you can purchase for Brown Recluse bites.

I can’t remember everything in them but you make a paste from activated charcoal, Comfrey, Ecinacea and a couple other ingredients (all in a premixed liquid). The activated charcoal helps absorb venom, and the rest tries to prevent tissue necrosis and infection from setting in.

[PeteB570]

Right nasty critter in the woodpile.

I’d rather face a Black Widow any day.

[mountainbunny]

I am so very sorry for your loss.

It sounds like it could have been a brown recluse.

I am always overreacting to seeing spiders in the house; I squeal and call my husband to come kill it... toward the end of the summer, I squealed and he came, ready to tell me it was a house spider, something harmless.

It was a brown recluse.

Now I am so very extra-careful. I’ve seen black widows dozens of times, but brown recluses just scare me to death.

[Battle Axe]

It sounded to me like the clot was breaking up and something broke off and either hit the brain, heart or lungs as you say.

I’m trying to establish the connection from last fall, the supposed spider bite and the clot.

There are supposedly three non-distinct species of Black Widow spiders. One called the Northern or Ohio bws.

I’ve see both Brown Recluse and Black Widow spider bites up close and personal. I did not see this man’s bite, but supposedly there was no sloughing of the skin.

There was no autopsy.