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Fred Thompson, the Education President?
Hunter's Rangers - Bar of Integrity ^ | September 18, 2007 | Alexander J. Hamilton

Posted on 09/18/2007 3:13:31 PM PDT by Calpernia

All the candidates from both political parties have emphasized the need for better education. It is plainly obvious that many, if not most, public schools across America are sub-par. Sub-par not only relative to schools abroad, but when judged against the rigors of American schools of yesteryear. The Democrats and Republicans, in theory, differ greatly when it comes to federal funding of education. Ronald Reagan, as well as the conservative wing of the party, wanted to get rid of the Department of Education altogether, while the donkeys have long howled about the supposed lack of spending on schools.

The so-called crown jewel of US education is still considered to be our colleges, both public and private, as evidenced by the large numbers of foreign students that come to our shores to attend these institutions.

However, a closer examination of the curricula currently being passed off as “education” shows that science and logic and classical economics have taken a back seat to fluff, in many cases. Multicultural flim-flam - from ethnic studies, to lesbian empowerment, to ‘revised’ history – has invaded nearly every campus. The federal government is also responsible for piling on a load of crap. They offer cold hard cash if said institution will establish a program that pays homage to the ‘vision’ and history and agenda of some politician or ‘civic leader’.

One would think that Republicans would be immune from this nonsense. And one would certainly think a man claiming to be a federalist would resist coughing up taxpayers’ hard earned money for such endeavors. Well, let us examine the record of Fred Thompson on the subject of education.

In the 104th Congress, Fred’s first, he cosponsored with Senator Frist and Carol Mosely Braun a bill to spend money refurbishing historically black colleges:

S.1940, Title: A bill to authorize appropriations for the preservation and restoration of historic buildings at historically black colleges and universities.

A noble gesture perhaps, but certainly not a nod to a colorblind society. There were numerous small, historical campuses across the country that were NOT predominantly black that could have used some federal cash. Yet Thompson, Braun and Frist saw fit to propose $65 million over 4 years for these grants. Of course, it helps motivation when Tennessee has its own black colleges covered by this legislation.

The following Congress, the 105th, found Mr. Thompson teaming with Bill Frist, Susan Collins and about 15 other Senators for something called the Education Flexibility Amendments of 1998, S.2213. This legislation sought to amend the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965, purportedly to offer the states more flexibility in meeting federal performance mandates. Sounds good, until you read the details. In Tiltle I, it does indeed tweak the edges of previous education law, allowing for more waivers for local school districts. However, the real purpose of this misnamed legislation was to create two federally funded endowments, each with $3 million in seed money for fiscal year 1999: Title II: OREGON INSTITUTE OF PUBLIC SERVICE AND CONSTITUTIONAL STUDIES. - From the funds appropriated under section 206, the Secretary is authorized to award a grant to Portland State University at Portland, Oregon, for the establishment of an endowment fund to support the Oregon Institute of Public Service and Constitutional Studies at the Mark O. Hatfield School of Government at Portland State University. TITLE III--PAUL SIMON PUBLIC POLICY INSTITUTE - GRANTS- From the funds appropriated under section 306, the Secretary is authorized to award a grant to Southern Illinois University for the establishment of an endowment fund to support the Paul Simon Public Policy Institute. The Secretary may enter into agreements with the University and include in any agreement made pursuant to this title such provisions as are determined necessary by the Secretary to carry out this title.

But apparently, one bill making endowments was not sufficient in the Education budget. Fred and Frist and Kennedy proposed S.2638, “To provide support for certain institutes and schools”. In addition to the two grants mentioned above, they added in two more: TITLE III--HOWARD BAKER SCHOOL OF GOVERNMENT - From the funds authorized to be appropriated under section 306, the Secretary is authorized to award a grant to the University for the establishment of an endowment fund to support the Howard Baker School of Government at the University of Tennessee in Knoxville, Tennessee. TITLE IV--JOHN GLENN INSTITUTE FOR PUBLIC SERVICE AND PUBLIC POLICY - GRANTS- From the funds appropriated under section 406, the Secretary is authorized to award a grant to the Ohio State University for the establishment of an endowment fund to support the John Glenn Institute for Public Service and Public Policy. The Secretary may enter into agreements with the University and include in any agreement made pursuant to this title such provisions as are determined necessary by the Secretary to carry out this title.

And the funding appropriated for these two storied gentlemen’s institutes was $10M and $6M, respectively.

And then just for grins, Frist and Thompson proposed these expenditures, in the exact same format, as amendment S.AMDT.3743 to bill S. 442. The irony is the S.442 is called the Internet Tax Freedom Act and its purpose was to “establish a national policy against State and local government interference with interstate commerce” for internet usage.

In the 1999 session of the 106th Congress, apparently unsatisfied with the seed money that was passed for these fine institutes, Fred Thompson decided to provide another few million ($10M for Baker, $3M for the lesser politicos), but added $5M for a fifth endowment: TITLE V--ROBERT T. STAFFORD PUBLIC POLICY INSTITUTE, though it is apparently not associated with a particular school. Certainly a man of Stafford’s acumen deserves an institute, considering he is best known as a rabid environmentalist and for his work on shepherding Vermont’s gay civil union law to fruition.

In 2000, Fred introduced an amendment S.AMDT.2317 to the DC College Access Act that mandates that District of Columbia grads get “in-state” tuition at institutions outside of DC. More Frederalism, I reckon.

Of course, Mr. Thompson also voted for the much maligned No Child Left Behind Act, despite his supporters claiming that Fred is a small government conservative. Granted, there was a lot of pressure to pass NCLB: Bush campaigned on it, the schools were a mess, and its goal was supposed to be to hold schools accountable. Nevertheless, the final bill had Ted Kennedy’s fingerprints all over it, and it became just another government boondoggle; a very expensive boondoggle.

And finally, for an encore topping off his fine career in education, Fred introduced and got passage of an amendment to dedicate funds for one last endowment. This time he hid it in the supplemental appropriations bill for Terrorism related expenses. The amendment reads: SA 3611. Mr. THOMPSON (for himself and Mr. Frist) submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill H.R. 4775, making supplemental appropriations for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2002, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows: On page 86, between lines 2 and 3, insert the following: ``(5) the provision specifying $835,000 for the Benjamin L. Hooks Institute for Social Change shall be deemed to read as follows: `The Benjamin L. Hooks Institute for Social Change in Memphis, Tennessee for an endowment to pursue a broad programmatic agenda that emphasizes the continued importance of the Civil Rights Movement and encourages academic research and community outreach, $835,000'.''. It passed into law, assuring that the former NAACP leader, lunatic, and vociferous foe of Clarence Thomas would have his legacy and agenda kept alive for years to come. I’m just amazed Fred Thompson had the time and energy to work on such important education funding goals between all of his Campaign Finance Reform activity. Who ever said he was lazy?


TOPICS: Education; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: anklebiters; checkthepolls; duncandonuts; duncanhunter; duncanistahitpiece; earmarks4hunter; frederalism; fredthompson; gnats; hunterites; nea; polls; publicschools; tedkennedy
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To: Paperdoll
You are absolutely intent on getting Hillary elected, aren’t you, Pet?

By not supporting your vanity asterisk candidate??? LOLOLOL! When one of you goes to bed, he loses a third of his support! The only place he actually TRIES is in TX, which has a primary after the damn nominee is chosen. You're pimping a candidate that clearly isn't serious and isn't a serious choice. And you're trying to malign a good conservative in the process. What's your real agenda?

101 posted on 09/18/2007 7:16:18 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (John Cox 2008: Because Duncan Hunter just isn't obscure enough for me!)
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To: pissant
"Rudy and Mitt and McCain have no standing to come after Fred’s right flank, but Hunter and Tancredo do."


I'll agree that Tancredo has, but there is no way that I can view Hunter as a more consistent conservative. When it comes to spending, he has less credentials than McCain.
102 posted on 09/18/2007 7:23:48 PM PDT by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: RasterMaster
"Funny, FRedbots certainly spend alot of time on the subject...Hunter must be doing something right."


I do not know about others, but my issue with Hunter has nothing to do with any perceived possibility that he may win the nomination. I want to see "big government conservatism" die the death it so richly deserves. For me it is all about redefining conservatism in the Goldwater/Reagan mold. Looking to someone as a standard bearer for conservatism, who is a big spender, keeps us in the hole we created for ourselves. If Hunter was truly a consistent limited government conservative, his being put forward as someone conservatives should rally behind would not bother me. If it was Tancredo, rather than Hunter, who was vying with Fred for support here on FR, I would not criticize his record.
103 posted on 09/18/2007 7:35:57 PM PDT by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: AlaskaErik

And that’s exactly what Fred told a woman last week. That getting on a plane to D.C. wouldn’t fix her schools, they had to be fixed locally.


104 posted on 09/18/2007 7:58:33 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA <a)
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To: rob777

Far more consitent. If there is anything about Hunter that sticks out above every other candidate, it is his consitency.


105 posted on 09/18/2007 8:01:59 PM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: Pistolshot

It’s still early, and EVERY TRUE CONSERVATIVE should support Duncan Hunter, or we just might lose our sovereignty some day.

I’m seeing countless folks saying Hunter would make a good VP because he’s so good, or Hunter is the best guy, but his poll numbers are too low, yada, yada.

But gosh, if all the folks used that naysaying “energy” and wrote an editor’s letter, or called a talk show to help Hunter, his poll #’s would increase.

I have read that around 95% of Hunter’s campaign money comes from regular folks, like me. Big biz won’t help him out, because they are doing business with Red China, and don’t want to lose that slave labor, even if the $275 BILLION EACH YEAR trade deficit is making China a superpower.

So it’s up to us regular folks to help Hunter out financially.

When conservatives know about Hunter here’s how they vote:

“Duncan Hunter doubled the totals of the next-closest candidate, garnering 534 of approximately 1,400 votes cast. Fred Thompson came in second with 266 votes, and Paul rounded out the top three with 217 votes.

Here are all the results:
Duncan Hunter: 534
Fred Thompson: 266
Ron Paul: 217
Mike Huckabee: 83
Rudy Giuliani: 78
Mitt Romney: 61
Ray McKinney: 28
John Cox: 10
John McCain: 8
Sam Brownback: 6
Tom Tancredo: 6
Hugh Cort: 3”

http://www.townhall.com/blog

And now for my question of the day: Can you tell me in a few sentences, in your own words, what ISSUES have prompted you to support Fred?


106 posted on 09/18/2007 8:04:11 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-life/borders, understands Red China threat! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: rob777

Didn’t you support Hunter at one time? Just curious.

Anyway, Hunter spends on our defense and protecting our troops, and that’s the way it should be.

He will lower taxes when he is president.

And check this out. If this isn’t enough, I have MORE!

“Voted against the Omnibus spending bill in 1990, HR 5835, that included George Herbert Walker Bush’s tax increases after his “read my lips” broken promise. - Congressional Record
..
• “The first of these ``Big 4’’ provisions is in Article IX. It states that decisions by the World Trade Organization ``shall be taken by a majority ... each member of WTO shall have one vote.’’ Folks, this gives Fidel Castro in Cuba the same vote as the United States. It is just like the General Assembly of the United Nations, with one vital difference. There is no Security Council in the WTO to give the U.S. a veto as in the UN.
• “The second of the ``Big 4’’’
..
http://blog.barofintegrity.us/2007/09/11/what-you-dont-know-about-duncan-hunter—part-1.aspx


107 posted on 09/18/2007 8:09:30 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-life/borders, understands Red China threat! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: Sun
Unfortunately, It won't matter what I tell you. You will only use it to promote Hunter or say something derogatory that will take the conversation nowhere.

Suffice it to say, Duncan WILL make an excellent VP, and get the face time he really needs for people to get his message. I am only pointing out the obvious, which seems to escape the DH supporters. And yes, Duncan did very well in Texas. But hasn't done squat anywhere else.

You DH supporters say the polls aren't everything, yet when your guy runs at or near the top, you expound on it as if it was the second coming. And that 'momentum', he garnered in Texas has done zip for him, especially at a forum where he should have stood out in the crowd(Values Voters), and didn't.

The truth is still the truth, no matter how you spin it.

108 posted on 09/18/2007 8:14:02 PM PDT by Pistolshot (Keyes/Paul '08 - When you can't get crazy enough.)
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To: Pistolshot

Knocking head against the wall..THUMP, THUMP.

I can’t get one Fred supporter to tell me in their own words why they support him re: ISSUES. I’m not looking for a book, just a few sentences from the heart.

Why not convince me that Fred would make a good VP for Duncan Hunter? :)

And Texas was not the only straw poll where Hunter won. Hunter won in the AZ straw poll, won a statistical tie in SC, and came in 1st here:

http://www.coryellgop.org/chair/archives/2007/07/03/john-firth-appointed-as-coryell-county-judge/


109 posted on 09/18/2007 10:38:09 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-life/borders, understands Red China threat! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: All

Just to break up this heated discussion a bit, find your perfect candidate:

http://www.vajoe.com/candidate_calculator.html


110 posted on 09/18/2007 11:29:07 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-life/borders, understands Red China threat! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: Sun
And Texas was not the only straw poll where Hunter won. Hunter won in the AZ straw poll, won a statistical tie in SC, and came in 1st here:

Oh, you mean the county coffee klatch votes? Interesting the link you provide shows Fred garnering 30% of the vote without any effort at all. Duncan spent how much? His message helped him where? It was on all the major networks when?

Keep beating your head against a wall, sooner or later you will get tired of the squishy sound.

Fred is taking his message right to the people from his website, and that message, on a variety of issues. Basing his beliefs on federalism vs the system we have now, would mean less federal intrusion, more local control, and the idea, that maybe Washington is not always the answer.

Face it as each one of the seal shows goes by and the candidates get a fish thrown to them, Duncan doesn't stand out. After each of these 'debates' he gets pushed further and further out of the picture.

111 posted on 09/19/2007 4:05:47 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Keyes/Paul '08 - When you can't get crazy enough.)
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To: Sun
“Education President?, Sun wrote:
Didn’t you support Hunter at one time? Just curious.”




No, I took an early interest in his candidacy with the intention of supporting him and ignored his critics until I looked deeper into his record on government spending. Yes, he does spend on defense, but that is not my problem with him. He has a record of big spending across the board. In terms of budget busting, the Prescription Drug plan was the worse vote. In terms of defensibility, his going 0 - 19 on the Flake anti port amendments REALLY ticked me off. That put him in the same company as my current Senator and former Congressman Bernie Sanders.

112 posted on 09/19/2007 4:41:54 AM PDT by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: Sun
"Voted against the Omnibus spending bill in 1990, HR 5835, that included George Herbert Walker Bush’s tax increases after his “read my lips” broken promise. - Congressional Rec"


He used to have a solid record on spending, but that is no longer the case. His record has gotten worse as he has joined the the GOP drift under Bush toward big government conservatism while people like Mike Pence and the RSC were trying to reverse this trend. He is a member of the RSC but frequently votes against their fiscally sound budgets. I see him as part of the problem in regards to the GOP embracing big government.
113 posted on 09/19/2007 4:47:09 AM PDT by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: rob777

On The Issues....duncanHunter_logo

FAIR & EQUITABLE TRADE

Fair Trade, Not Free Trade = Jobs / Packed House in Mission Valley

China Cheating  on Trade / America is a GREAT Nation

SECOND AMENDMENT

Glen & Helen Show / CA Bullet Serialization / A Keyboard and a .45 /Armed & Free

ECONOMY & TAXES

Address to Fair Tax Rally 05-15-07 / Address to CPAC / Fiscal Conservativism

CONGRESSIONAL RECORD

Iraq Resolution / Hunter vs. Democrats / Surge is Working

Senate Amnesty Bill / Amnesty Fails / Amnesty Fails Again  / Hunter Vs. Murtha

LEGAL REFORM

Gonzales Firings / Pardon Scooter? / ”Fairness” Doctrine

Border Agents Compean & Ramos / Defending Border Agents

ENDORSEMENTS

Appeal to Conservatives / General Chuck Yeager / Conservative Voice

Ann Coulter / Magnificent! / Favorite

Announcement – Part 1 & Part 2 / Music Video On the Road to the Oval Office

Conservative Case / A Fresh Face / Blog Collection / Constitution Party / Grassroots HQ

EDUCATION

No Child Left Behind

HEALTHCARE

Ronald Reagan Health Care / ‘National’ HealthCare / “One step closer to socialism”

IMMIGRATION

Border Enforcement is Homeland Security / NAFTA / Secure Border

Building a Fence / “Jobs Americans won’t do”? / Wake Up America 07-19-07

Enforce the Law / No Amnesty / Party of One / Ted Hayes

SAFETY & SECURITY

Dubai Ports / Cooking with Hunter / War On Terror / To America’s Critics / JFK Plot

Mark Steyn on 1986 Amnesty / Firefighter’s Forum / CSIS Forum / Katrina Summit

FAITH & VALUES

Blogs for Life / Judicial Appointments / Right to Life Rally / Hunter's Faith

Terri Shaivo / Mt. Soledad Cross  - Flyer / Roe vs. Wade / Hate Crimes

INTERVIEWS

Dennis Miller (June 1st – 3rd Hour) / Michael Illions

Roger Hedgecock (4/6, 4/24, 4/25, 6/8, 6/29, 7/2, 7/17, 7/19)

Laura Ingraham – Part 1 & Part 2 / Steve Malzberg 06-19-07

Brian Preston – Hot Air / William Gheen - ALIPAC

WRKO Pundit Review Radio / Polipundit Radio / Tom McLaughlin

Kevin McCullough – Musclehead Revolution / John Hawkins

NHPR’s Laura Knoy on The Exchange / Irving Baxter

WESH – Orlando (Conversation with the Candidate) / Wolf Blitzer

 Hardball 07-30-2007 / Hardball - Al Sharpton / George Stephanopolis

 Charlie Rangel – Part 1 & Part 2 / Dennis Kucinich – Part 1 & Part 2

Glenn Beck / JD Hayworth 1 & 2 / Tom McLaughlin / Neil Cavuto

DEBATES

Reagan Library 05-03-07 / After Interview

South Carolina 05-15-07 / Fox Interview

New Hampshire 06-05-07 / Spin Room - NH/ Lynne Hunter

Iowa Presidential Candidate Forum 06-30-07

Iowa 08-05-07 / Hunter vs Paul / After the Debate / De Moines 07-06-07

POLLS

Hunter Beats McCain / Maricopa County, Arizona 01-13-07

Spartanburg, South Carolina 03-01-07 / SC GOP Conventions 04-16-07

Anderson County, South Carolina 04-17-07 / Free Republic / Coryell, Tx / Texas Win

ADDITIONAL AUDIO & VIDEOS

Young Republicans - Part1 - Part2 - Part3 / Texas Straw Poll Speech

Core Principles / BIG STORY WEEKEND with Julie Bandaras / Latest Articles

Brian & the Judge: 01-10-2007 / 02-08-2007 / 03-12-2007/ Cost of WH Run

The Right Balance hosted by Greg Allen / Still in the Race / Duncan D. Hunter

 


114 posted on 09/19/2007 5:53:15 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy McRomneyson = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party)
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To: rob777

Duncan Hunter AGAINST Dubai Ports Deal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JyZTd5UeGE


115 posted on 09/19/2007 5:56:28 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy McRomneyson = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party)
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Fred cosponsored.  The appropriations:  $10M a year for Howie Baker, $3M a year for the others.

S.2638
Title: A bill to provide support for certain institutes and schools.
Sponsor: Sen Frist, William H. [TN] (introduced 10/15/1998)      Cosponsors (5)
Latest Major Action: 10/15/1998 Held at the desk.


All Information (except text) Text of Legislation CRS Summary Major Congressional Actions

All Congressional Actions

All Congressional Actions with Amendments
With links to Congressional Record pages, votes,reports
Titles Cosponsors (5) Committees
Related Bills Amendments Related Committee Documents
CBO Cost Estimates Subjects  

Here is the text of the legislation:

S.2638

To provide support for certain institutes and schools. (Considered and Passed by Senate)

October 15 (legislative day, OCTOBER 2), 1998

Mr. FRIST (for himself, Mr. DEWINE, Mr. KENNEDY, Mr. SMITH of Oregon, Mr. THOMPSON, and Mr. WYDEN) introduced the following bill; which was read twice, considered, read the third time, and passed


A BILL

To provide support for certain institutes and schools.

TITLE I--OREGON INSTITUTE OF PUBLIC SERVICE AND CONSTITUTIONAL STUDIES

SEC. 101. DEFINITIONS.

SEC. 102. OREGON INSTITUTE OF PUBLIC SERVICE AND CONSTITUTIONAL STUDIES.

SEC. 103. DUTIES.

SEC. 104. ADMINISTRATION.

SEC. 105. ENDOWMENT FUND.

SEC. 106. AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.

TITLE II--PAUL SIMON PUBLIC POLICY INSTITUTE

SEC. 201. DEFINITIONS.

SEC. 202. PROGRAM AUTHORIZED.

years, and during such period the University shall not withdraw or expend any of the endowment fund corpus. Upon expiration of the grant period, the University may use the endowment fund corpus, plus any endowment fund income for any educational purpose of the University.

SEC. 203. INVESTMENTS.

insurance company may invest under the laws of the State of Illinois, such as federally insured bank savings accounts or comparable interest bearing accounts, certificates of deposit, money market funds, or obligations of the United States.

SEC. 204. WITHDRAWALS AND EXPENDITURES.

SEC. 205. ENFORCEMENT.

SEC. 206. AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.

TITLE III--HOWARD BAKER SCHOOL OF GOVERNMENT

SEC. 301. DEFINITIONS.

SEC. 302. HOWARD BAKER SCHOOL OF GOVERNMENT.

SEC. 303. DUTIES.

SEC. 304. ADMINISTRATION.

SEC. 305. ENDOWMENT FUND.

SEC. 306. AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.

TITLE IV--JOHN GLENN INSTITUTE FOR PUBLIC SERVICE AND PUBLIC POLICY

SEC. 401. DEFINITIONS.


116 posted on 09/19/2007 6:19:22 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: RasterMaster
I will concede that he is good on some issues. I am not trying to bash him. My primary concern is the proper role of the federal government and spending is a barometer I use to gage where someone is on that issue. It is on that issue that Duncan falls far short. He would make a good Secretary of Defense, or Homeland Security, I just do not see him as the one to lead the conservative movement back to a commitment to "limited" government.
117 posted on 09/19/2007 6:41:01 AM PDT by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: rob777

Funny, I feel the same way when I hear flip-flops from FRed.


118 posted on 09/19/2007 7:30:05 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy McRomneyson = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

Don’t you get a little weary of saying the same things over and over again? I can just look at your screen name and know before reading your response exactly what it will say. Get over yourself, prs. Everyone else has. :)


119 posted on 09/19/2007 8:29:38 AM PDT by Paperdoll
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To: Paperdoll
Yeah, sure. Just as soon as you get over your vanity asterisk candidate and stop trying to rip down viable conservative candidates to further a losing cause.

It shouldn't be too difficult: Duncan's own campaign manager knows he can't win What's your excuse?

120 posted on 09/19/2007 8:40:05 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (John Cox 2008: Because Duncan Hunter just isn't obscure enough for me!)
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