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Haditha Article 32: LCpl. Stephen B. Tatum
Defend Our Marines ^ | July 12, 2007 | David Allender

Posted on 07/12/2007 6:30:18 PM PDT by RedRover

Hearing fact sheet

The hearing is scheduled to commence July 16, 2007.

The accused, LCpl. Stephen Tatum, was 25-years-old at the time of the incident, and was on his second combat tour. In 2004, Tatum fought (along with LCpl. Justin Sharratt) in the "House from Hell" in Fallujah .

Preferred Charges and Specifications:

Charge I: Violation of the UCMJ, Article 118 (Unpremeditated murder)
(Maximum punishment: such punishment other than death as a court-martial may direct. [Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, confinement for life])

Specification 1: did murder Noor Salim Rasif.
Specification 2: did murder Zainab Unes Salim.

Charge II: Violation of the UCMJ, Article 134 (Negligent Homicide)
(Maximum punishment: Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, confinement for 3 years)

Specification 1: did unlawfully kill Abdul Hameed Husin Ali.
Specification 2: did unlawfully kill Guhid Abdalhamid Hasan.
Specification 3: did unlawfully kill Asmaa Salman Rasif, also known as Asamaa Salman Rasif.
Specification 4: did unlawfully kill Abdullah Waleed Abdul Hameed, also known as Abdullah Waleed Abdul.

Charge III: Violation of the UCMJ, Article 128 (Assault)
(Maximum punishment: Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 8 years)

Specification: did commit an assault upon Eman Waleed Al Hameed and Abid Al Rahman Waleed Al Hameed.

Convening authority: Lt. Gen. James Mattis, commanding general for the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force and Marine Forces Central Commander for Afghanistan, Iraq and Africa.

Investigating officer: Lt. Col. Paul J. Ware.

Defense counsel: Jack B. Zimmermann (civilian attorney); Lt Col. Matthew Cord and Maj. Jeffrey Muñoz (military attorneys)

How the incident in this house occurred according to the media:

Josh White in the Washington Post (January 6, 2007):

[After the IED was detonated] Wuterich, Salinas, Tatum and Lance Cpl. Humberto M. Mendoza formed a team to attack the house, launching grenades first and then busting through the door.
"I told them to treat it as a hostile environment," Wuterich told investigators. "I told them to shoot first, ask questions later."
Defense attorneys have argued that the men were following their "rules of engagement" when they shot into the homes, using effective techniques in a difficult environment....
After entering the first house through a kitchen, Tatum told investigators, he heard what he believed was an AK-47 rifle being "racked," or readied to fire, around a corner. He and Salinas tossed grenades into the room, according to the documents. Waleed Hasan, 37, was killed. Khamisa Ali, 66, was shot dead in the hallway before four others were killed in a bedroom by grenades and rifle fire.
Nine-year-old Eman Hamed told investigators that a grenade landed near her grandfather's bed and exploded, sending shrapnel through the room. Her mother and 4-year-old brother were killed as she huddled, injured, with another brother, Abid, 6, who survived. "All rooms," Abid told investigators. "They were shooting in all rooms."
Several Marines said they quickly cleared the home by fire, shooting through the dust, debris and darkness to eliminate what they believed was a threat.
From there, Wuterich, Mendoza and Tatum said, they moved to a second house after suspecting that insurgents might have escaped. Mendoza told investigators that the Marines approached the second house the same way they did the first, treating it as hostile, according to his sworn statement. Mendoza said he shot a man, 43- year-old Yunis Rasif, through the house's glass kitchen door.
"I fired because I had been told the house was hostile and I was following my training that all individuals in a hostile house are to be shot," Mendoza told investigators. The Marines then entered the house and tossed grenades before firing into a back bedroom, which they later found was filled with women and children.
"Knowing what I know now, I feel badly about killing Iraqi civilians who may have been innocent, but I stand fast in my decisions that day, as I reacted to the threats that I perceived at the time," Tatum said. "I did not shoot randomly with the intent to harm innocent Iraqi civilians."

What to expect at the hearing: The prosecution will hit hardest on the action in house number two. They will argue that the Marines should have stopped to reconsider their tactics after seeing that civilians were killed in house number one.

The greatest weakness of the prosecution's case is that it is largely built on witness testimony, tape recorded in Iraq. Nearly all such testimony was discounted in the LCpl. Sharratt hearing and will undoubtedly be so again.

The only witness to the events in house number two is 13-year-old Safa Younis. She gave wildly different accounts to the media about what happened that morning. If inconsistencies don't disqualify her as a witness, her desire for revenge should. Regarding the Haditha Marines, she told CNN, "I want them to be tortured and killed. And I want them to leave our country."



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To: Girlene

Thank you Girlene.

Also thanks for pointing out how they came up with 24 dead.


21 posted on 07/17/2007 10:19:34 AM PDT by lilycicero (Hey...ck your mail. I have something for you.....yep....a question.)
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To: Girlene

A little more background...

The defense requested, for the second time, that Cpl. (actually now Sgt.) Salinas received testimonial immunity on the 20th of April.

The government (i.e., prosecutors) endorsed the request on the 23rd of April.

On the first of May, the Convening Authority delayed a decision about the request and that’s where things have stood.


22 posted on 07/17/2007 11:09:12 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: lilycicero; RedRover; xzins; brityank; Chickenhawk Warmonger; 4woodenboats; jazusamo; stylin19a; ...
More info from day #1 of the hearing from San Diego Union Tribune by Steve Liewer, July 17, 2007 Marine acted in self-defense in Iraq killings, attorneys say

CAMP PENDLETON – Marine Lance Cpl. Stephen Tatum was following orders and acting in self-defense when he helped kill about 10 people in Haditha, Iraq, almost two years ago, his attorneys said yesterday

Deadly force was the proper response to a threat to himself and his fellow Marines,” lawyer Jack Zimmerman said during his opening statement in the pretrial hearing for Tatum at Camp Pendleton.

Tatum is one of three Marines from Camp Pendleton's Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment accused of murdering as many as 24 civilians on Nov. 19, 2005. Four officers are charged with failing to properly investigate the killings.

Prosecutors said the three murder suspects went on a rampage against civilians after a bomb struck their infantry convoy, killing a fellow Marine. The defendants maintain those civilians were caught up in legitimate combat between Marines and insurgents.

Tatum is charged with two counts of unpremeditated murder, four counts of negligent homicide and one count of assault. If convicted, he faces life in prison.

The killings involving him took place in two houses near the site of the bomb blast. Zimmerman said Tatum's squad leader, Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich, labeled the homes as hostile because he believed insurgents were shooting at Marines from inside those dwellings.

“We would have chaos on the battlefield if every lance corporal questioned every order given by a staff sergeant,” Zimmerman said.

No one at yesterday's court session pinpointed how many civilians Tatum killed or how many people died in the two houses.

But in March 2006, Tatum told investigators that he, Wuterich and other members of the squad stormed into the first home after hearing the metal-on-metal sound of an AK-47 rifle being prepped for firing.

Wuterich and another Marine then shot into a room in that house. Tatum said he joined in and shot at least four people at a distance of about 20 feet.

In the second home, Tatum said, he may have shot as many as five people. He determined that the dwelling was hostile because Wuterich began firing his weapon. “Knowing what I know now, I feel badly about killing Iraqi civilians who may have been innocent,” Tatum said. “But I stand fast in my decisions that day, as I reacted to the threats that I perceived at that time.”

Testifying yesterday under a grant of immunity, Staff Sgt. Justin Laughner said the Haditha death scene horrified him. He was a counter-intelligence specialist who surveyed the site a few hours after the killings took place.

Laughner described a room in one house where the bodies of a woman and several children lay on a bed. In another house, he saw a woman who had died huddled over a small child, apparently trying to shield the youngster.

Laughner said he found no evidence of insurgents in the two houses. He did discover some shell casings in the entrance to one home that likely came from Iraqis' AK-47 rifles mixed with some others from U.S. troops' M-16s.

Prosecutors contend that Tatum didn't follow the military's rules of engagement when he stormed into the dwellings.

The lead prosecutor, Lt. Col. Paul Atterbury, yesterday gave the court copies of rules-of-engagement cards that were supposed to have been distributed to Tatum's unit. The cards state that Marines need to positively identify targets as having a hostile intent before using deadly force, Atterbury said.

“Marines have to be held accountable,” he added.

Lt. Col. Paul Ware, the presiding officer, will assess the evidence against Tatum and recommend whether he should face trial. The final decision rests with Lt. Gen. James Mattis, commanding general of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force at Camp Pendleton.

Last week, Ware recommended that another Haditha defendant charged with murder – Lance Cpl. Justin L. Sharratt – not face court-martial. Ware questioned the credibility of Iraqi witnesses and raised concerns about the interviewing techniques of military investigators.

Zimmerman hopes he, too, can persuade Ware that his client was doing his job as a Marine.

“He did what his country trained him to do,” Zimmerman said. “Now he's facing murder charges and a life sentence.”
23 posted on 07/17/2007 11:33:16 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: Girlene
Laughner said he found no evidence of insurgents in the two houses. He did discover some shell casings in the entrance to one home that likely came from Iraqis' AK-47 rifles mixed with some others from U.S. troops' M-16s.

This is no Laughn'(er) matter. I see no evidence but here's some shell casings in front of the home? What's that party favors?

24 posted on 07/17/2007 12:02:16 PM PDT by lilycicero (You did it.)
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To: lilycicero; Girlene
At least SSgt Laughner actually looked at the shell casings in houses and two. In the LCpl Sharratt hearing, he said he thought he saw AK shell casings but wasn't sure (wouldn't you have leaned over and picked one up to see?).
25 posted on 07/17/2007 12:21:53 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: lilycicero; RedRover
I see no evidence but here's some shell casings in front of the home? What's that party favors?

LOL, lily. Shell casings from Iraqi Ak-47 rifles sounds like evidence of insurgents to me - at least outside the home.

The lead prosecutor, Lt. Col. Atterbury, gives the court ROE cards that Tatum's unit was supposed to have. On that card one of the rules was that Marines need to positively identify targets as having a hostile intent before using deadly force....“Marines have to be held accountable,” he added. .

Well, an IED that kills one Marine, leaves two others wounded (one seriously), small arms fire coming from both sides of the road.....there's the hostile intent. Isn't there something on those cards that says you can use deadly force to defend yourself? It appears to me they thought they were defending themselves against hostile intent with a squad that had lost a fourth of their fighting ability.

Picking on the specifice of whether ROE were followed exactly sounds a far cry from "executions" to me. Maybe they're backing off the "execution" junk.
26 posted on 07/17/2007 12:34:16 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: Girlene; lilycicero; brityank; 4woodenboats; jazusamo; Defend Our Marine; All
First report I've seen on Day Two. The Dela Cruz testimony is pretty laughable. The testimony against LCpl Sharratt by fellow Marines based on Sharratt's "sea stories" was worse than this. And it went no one as evidence.

Marine charged in Iraq murders wanted leeway to kill, troop says, Associated Press, July 17, 2007

CAMP PENDLETON – A Marine charged with murdering two girls and killing several other Iraqis said after the deaths that he disapproved how the United States was waging war and wished troops had more leeway to shoot, a squadmate testified Tuesday.

Lance Cpl. Stephen Tatum poked fun at a squadmate who asked permission before shooting and said he thought the war should be fought the way it was in Biblical scriptures, "where you just go in the city and kill every living thing," said Sgt. Sanick P. Dela Cruz.

With Tatum leaning intently forward behind the defense table, Dela Cruz spoke quietly and was repeatedly told to speak up for the court reporter. He said Tatum made the comments to him while they were on patrol in January 2006.

Tatum was in the second day of preliminary hearings to determine whether he will be tried for murder in the biggest U.S. criminal case involving civilian deaths to come out of the Iraq war. In the aftermath of a roadside bomb that killed one Marine and injured two others on Nov. 19, 2005, Marines killed 24 Iraqi civilians in the town of Haditha.

Dela Cruz, who testified with a grant of immunity, said that he recalled Tatum entering an Iraqi home near the bomb site where Marines had found more than $5,000 in U.S. currency and suggested that the money should be sent to the family of their fallen comrade to pay for a funeral.

"I think he was serious," Dela Cruz said. Tatum did not take the money in the end.

Another squad member, Lance Cpl. Humberto Manuel Mendoza, was also expected to testify Tuesday.

Mendoza, who is among seven Marines given immunity in the case, told investigators in March 2006 he shot at least two men because they were in houses declared hostile.

Mendoza has said he and several other Marines, including Tatum, went to a house soon after the blast. There, Mendoza told investigators, he shot a man in a room who was standing by a closet.

"He opened the closet door with his left hand and was reaching inside with his right hand while looking at me. ... I shot him several times," Mendoza in a statement. "I never said anything to him."

Mendoza said he shot another man through a glass door in a different house.

"I was following my training that all individuals in a hostile house are to be shot," Mendoza told investigators.

At the opening of Tatum's hearing Monday, his attorney said Tatum believed he was following procedure by confronting a threat with deadly force.

Besides unpremeditated murder of two girls in one house, Tatum is charged with negligent homicide on suspicion that he unlawfully killed two men, a woman and a young boy. He is also accused of assaulting another boy and a girl. If convicted of murder, he faces up to life in prison.

The squad leader, Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich, is charged with murdering 18 Iraqis. His preliminary hearing is set for Aug. 22.

After the Article 32 investigation, the military equivalent of a grand jury proceeding, hearing officer Lt. Col. Paul Ware will recommend whether Tatum should face a court-martial. The final decision rests with Lt. Gen. James Mattis, the general overseeing the case.

27 posted on 07/17/2007 12:46:00 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: Girlene; lilycicero; RedRover; jude24; P-Marlowe; Brian Rooney
The lead prosecutor, Lt. Col. Paul Atterbury, yesterday gave the court copies of rules-of-engagement cards that were supposed to have been distributed to Tatum's unit. The cards state that Marines need to positively identify targets as having a hostile intent before using deadly force, Atterbury said.

This is bullcrap. There is no way in the world that in urban fighting the military would issue ROEs that require positive ID of hostile intent before protecting yourself.

I've clearly read elsewhere that the ROEs on that day were of the "when feel threatened" variety. Also, I've read that they were permitted to fire through walls and clear rooms unseen with grenades.

I don't know who this prosecutor is, but he can't have combat experience. You don't stand in the doorway of a hostile room and ask for a headcount of the non-hostile occupants.

It's insane.

Other squads also engaged in the area report calling in 500 pound bombs from aircraft and destroying entire buildings. Did they have to forward their non-hostile head count first?

It's flippin' idiotic.

28 posted on 07/17/2007 12:55:25 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: Girlene; lilycicero; RedRover

Attorney says Edmond Marine acted appropriately
John A. Williams
THE EDMOND SUN (EDMOND, Okla.)

EDMOND, Okla.— The attorney for an Edmond Marine said his client was acting appropriately in November 2005 when Iraqi civilians were killed after a roadside bomb killed a Marine nearby.
Lance Cpl. Stephen B. Tatum is the second of three enlisted Marines to face a hearing about whether charges should be referred to a court-martial in the deaths of 24 civilians in Haditha, Iraq.
His military investigation got under way Monday.
During opening statements in Tatum’s Article 32 hearing, the military equivalent of a grand jury hearing, Tatum’s attorney Jack Zimmerman said, “He was taught that deadly force is the proper response to a threat.”
Hearing officer Lt. Col. Paul Ware will assess the evidence against Tatum and make a recommendation about whether he should stand trial.
The final decision rests with the general overseeing the case.
“Knowing what I know now, I feel badly about killing Iraqi civilians who may have been innocent,” Tatum told Navy investigators in March 2006.
“But I stand fast in my decisions that day, as I reacted to the threats that I perceived at that time.”
Last week, Ware determined the government’s evidence against Lance Cpl. Justin L. Sharratt was insufficient for a court-martial and recommended the general drop the charges, according to the Associated Press.
A fund to help defray costs for Tatum’s defense has been created in Houston. Donations may be sent in care of Christopher M. Odell, the fund’s trustee, at 711 Louisiana St., Suite 2100 in Houston, TX, 77002.

John A. Williams writes for The Edmond Sun


29 posted on 07/17/2007 1:24:34 PM PDT by smoothsailing ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction"--President Ronald Reagan)
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To: stylin19a; Girlene; lilycicero; jazusamo; xzins; Defend Our Marine; All
Now we know why Mendoza got immunity...

Marine charged in Iraq deaths said women and kids should be shot, Associated Press, July 17, 2007

CAMP PENDLETON, California (AP) - A Marine charged with murdering two girls and killing several other Iraqis gave orders to shoot into a roomful of women and children, a squad member testified Tuesday.

Lance Cpl. Stephen Tatum then went into the room himself, followed by noise that sounded like M-16 gunfire, said Lance Cpl. Humberto Manuel Mendoza.

"I told him there's just womens and kids in the room," Mendoza said. "He replied, 'Well, shoot them.'"

The testimony came on the second day of a hearing to determine whether Tatum will face court-martial for the Nov. 19, 2005, killing of 24 Iraqi civilians in Haditha.

The killings, which authorities say were sparked by an earlier roadside bombing that left one Marine dead, resulted in the biggest U.S. criminal case involving civilian deaths to come out of the Iraq war.

Mendoza was with Tatum and two other Marines when they went to clear a house in the town about 240 kilometers northwest of Baghdad.

Mendoza, asked by a military prosecutor if Tatum was joking, replied: "He was very serious, sir."

Mendoza, who is among seven Marines given immunity in the case, said he shot a man who peeked around the side of a kitchen door in the house as the team went in. He said he stayed in the kitchen while squad members threw a grenade and moments later found a woman in her 20s cowering in a back bedroom with four or five children. In March 2006, he told investigators he shot at least two men because they were in houses declared hostile. The second man shot was in a different house.

Mendoza said he returned to the house later as part of a body retrieval team and saw that the woman and children were killed. All had multiple wounds that could have been caused by M-16 fire, he said.

According to a report by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service dated May 17, 2006, Tatum told investigators that he shot women and children because "women and kids can hurt you too." He went on to say he later felt remorseful about the incident.

The report describes an interview with Tatum, but it was not signed by the Marine.

Besides the unpremeditated murder charge, Tatum is charged with negligent homicide on suspicion that he unlawfully killed two men, a woman and a young boy. He is also accused of assaulting another boy and a girl. If convicted of murder, he faces up to life in prison.

Mendoza was the second of Tatum's squad members to testify in the hearing. Earlier Tuesday, Sgt. Sanick P. Dela Cruz testified that Tatum, almost two months after the killings, voiced disapproval over how the U.S. was waging war and wished troops had more leeway to shoot.

Tatum poked fun at a squad member who asked permission before shooting and said he thought the war should be fought the way it was in Biblical scriptures, «where you just go in the city and kill every living thing,» said Dela Cruz.

Dela Cruz said that he recalled Tatum entering an Iraqi home near the bomb site where Marines had found more than $5,000 in U.S. currency and suggested that the money should be sent to the family of their fallen comrade to pay for a funeral.

"I think he was serious," Dela Cruz said. Tatum did not take the money in the end.

Tatum's attorney on Monday said the Marine believed he was following procedure by confronting a threat with deadly force.

The squad leader, Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich, is charged with murdering 18 Iraqis. His preliminary hearing is set for Aug. 22.

After the Article 32 investigation, the military equivalent of a grand jury proceeding, a hearing officer will recommend whether Tatum should face court-martial. The final decision, however, rests with Lt. Gen. James Mattis, who is overseeing the case.

Associated Press writer Thomas Watkins contributed to this report.

30 posted on 07/17/2007 1:43:24 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: Girlene; RedRover
"He did discover some shell casings in the entrance to one home that likely came from Iraqis' AK-47 rifles"

And ak-47 shell casings are not evidence that the enemy was there? Aside from a body that's as good as it gets.

31 posted on 07/17/2007 1:49:45 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: Girlene
More crap from today (where is Mark Walker???)...

Witness: Markings may have symbolized murders

North County Times, July 17, 2007

By: TERI FIGUEROA --- staff writer

CAMP PENDLETON ---- A lance corporal accused of killing Iraqi women and children in Haditha may have written 24 markings on a piece of his buddy's gear ---- possibly symbolizing the number of Iraqis killed by Marines responding to a deadly roadside bomb attack.

One of the former co-defendants of Lance Cpl. Stephen Tatum testified Tuesday that he saw Tatum's signature underneath 24 markings he said he believed signified the number of Iraqi victims. The gear belonged to Lance Cpl. Miguel "TJ" Terrazas, who died in the bombing, and was to be sent home to Terrazas family.

Sgt. Sanick Dela Cruz was testifying against Tatum during an investigative hearing to determine if Tatum should face trial in the deaths of six of the 24 victims on Nov. 19, 2005. Dela Cruz himself faced homicide charges, which were dropped in exchange for his agreement to testify against his squadmates about the killings.

The Haditha incident is the largest civilian killing case to result in criminal charges since the U.S invasion of Iraq in 2003.

On Dec. 21, the Marine Corps charged Dela Cruz, Tatum and two other enlisted men, Lance Cpls. Justin Sharratt and Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich, with the deaths. Marines also charged four of their commanding officers with dereliction of duty for allegedly failing to properly investigate and report what happened.

All of the men have said directly or through their attorneys or family members that they are innocent of any wrongdoing.

32 posted on 07/17/2007 1:54:47 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: RedRover; P-Marlowe; pissant; Girlene; Thunder 6; blue-duncan; jude24
Mendoza was the second of Tatum's squad members to testify in the hearing. Earlier Tuesday, Sgt. Sanick P. Dela Cruz testified that Tatum, almost two months after the killings, voiced disapproval over how the U.S. was waging war and wished troops had more leeway to shoot.

Tatum poked fun at a squad member who asked permission before shooting and said he thought the war should be fought the way it was in Biblical scriptures, «where you just go in the city and kill every living thing,» said Dela Cruz.

Dela Cruz said that he recalled Tatum entering an Iraqi home near the bomb site where Marines had found more than $5,000 in U.S. currency and suggested that the money should be sent to the family of their fallen comrade to pay for a funeral.

The stuff about the $5000 bucks is irrelevant. It is exactly the kind of talk that we'd hear with any group of soldiers. A buddy had been killed, there was money, and he said where it "should" have gone. I guess a conversation is illegal??? Besides that, he's right to think of a buddy's family.

So far as desiring Rules of Engagement that allow a man to feel safer, I would fully expect someone to want to have that conversation, too.

For Pete's sake, if every chaplain had to spill his guts about what battlefield troops had told them, they share a lot about how these guys think it's WRONG for them to get killed when they've got families, wives, kids, hopes and dreams awaiting them back home.

WRONG TO DIE....it's UNETHICAL to allow yourself to be killed because of others and yourself hoping you come home.

I hate what's happening to these guys.

All they want to do is to be able to come home. And to say, "women and kids can kill you, too" is the truth. They can.

The one almost witness from Haditha said that she had to cover her ears because she knew ahead of time that the IED would go off. The families in those houses had been prepped by the insurgents. Amazing.

33 posted on 07/17/2007 2:09:20 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: xzins

This BS must come to a screeching halt. These guys deserve medals.


34 posted on 07/17/2007 2:11:40 PM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: xzins

Good points, xzins. In the other engagement, the squad used air power to kill the insurgents and anybody else in the building. The prosecutor is being ticky tacky in trying to pick apart the ROE’s that were or weren’t followed to the letter and in sequence. I tend to think hesitating when you’re taking small arms fire and your squad has been cut down to only 9 of the 12 original leads to you and/or your buddies getting killed.

As far as the $5,000, what’s wrong with thinking of Terrazes’ family at the time? Those are thoughts, not actions. Does anybody know where that money went? This is first I’ve heard that it was this much.

Dela Cruz’s other junk about an alleged conversation about how Marines are expected, or ought, to fight this war is a discussion. Dela Cruz was granted immunity vs. facing life in prison. Wonder why he was talking so softly during the hearing?


35 posted on 07/17/2007 2:22:11 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: RedRover
whoa..did the AP sandbag the Mendoza March 2006 investigation interview ?

the Mendoza story from March is way different than the testimony given.
36 posted on 07/17/2007 2:32:14 PM PDT by stylin19a (Don't buy a putter until you have had a chance to throw it.)
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To: RedRover; xzins; stylin19a
Now we know why Mendoza got immunity...

You can say that again! What a load this testimony was....A Marine [I'm assuming Tatum] charged with murdering two girls and killing several other Iraqis gave orders to shoot into a roomful of women and children,..

Why am I having a hard time believing this junk? Could it be that Frank Wuterich was the squad leader there and would have issued orders, not Tatum?

Lance Cpl. Stephen Tatum then went into the room himself, followed by noise that sounded like M-16 gunfire, said Lance Cpl. Humberto Manuel Mendoza.

"I told him there's just womens and kids in the room," Mendoza said. "He replied, 'Well, shoot them.'"


Right. If Mendoza is telling the truth, then why wasn't Tatum charged with all those women and childrens' deaths? Mendoza should have practiced his testimony and checked with NCIS charges before he starts making these allegations. Wonder which house (#1 or #2) that Mendoza was referring to?
37 posted on 07/17/2007 2:38:44 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: stylin19a; Girlene; Defend Our Marine; All

The quotes in the AP come from the leaked NCIS report.

Consider.

If Mendoza had told this to NCIS agents from the beginning, it would have been in the report. And it would have been in every media piece based on it.

So Mendoza changed his story on, or shortly before, Dec. 18 2006 when he was given immunity.

The credibility of his testimony is, of course, the big issue.

Wish we could know what happened during cross examination. This testimony was a surprise to us, but not to Tatum’s lawyers.


38 posted on 07/17/2007 3:02:42 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: Girlene
I think I know what Mendoza has tattooed on his arm: Semper If.
39 posted on 07/17/2007 3:09:15 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: RedRover

Well, Mendoza’s testimony doesn’t match the charges. Tatum was charged with:
“murder” of 2 children in House #2
“unlawful killing” of 1 child, 32 yr old female, 30 yr old male, 70 yr old male from house #1
injuring (”assault”) of the 2 children that survived house #1

So what is Mendoza talking about? He’s claiming that Tatum went into a roomful of women and children (sounds like house #2)and shot up the place. Why don’t the charges reflect this? It doesn’t add up.


40 posted on 07/17/2007 3:13:34 PM PDT by Girlene
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