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To: lilycicero; RedRover; xzins; brityank; Chickenhawk Warmonger; 4woodenboats; jazusamo; stylin19a; ...
More info from day #1 of the hearing from San Diego Union Tribune by Steve Liewer, July 17, 2007 Marine acted in self-defense in Iraq killings, attorneys say

CAMP PENDLETON – Marine Lance Cpl. Stephen Tatum was following orders and acting in self-defense when he helped kill about 10 people in Haditha, Iraq, almost two years ago, his attorneys said yesterday

Deadly force was the proper response to a threat to himself and his fellow Marines,” lawyer Jack Zimmerman said during his opening statement in the pretrial hearing for Tatum at Camp Pendleton.

Tatum is one of three Marines from Camp Pendleton's Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment accused of murdering as many as 24 civilians on Nov. 19, 2005. Four officers are charged with failing to properly investigate the killings.

Prosecutors said the three murder suspects went on a rampage against civilians after a bomb struck their infantry convoy, killing a fellow Marine. The defendants maintain those civilians were caught up in legitimate combat between Marines and insurgents.

Tatum is charged with two counts of unpremeditated murder, four counts of negligent homicide and one count of assault. If convicted, he faces life in prison.

The killings involving him took place in two houses near the site of the bomb blast. Zimmerman said Tatum's squad leader, Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich, labeled the homes as hostile because he believed insurgents were shooting at Marines from inside those dwellings.

“We would have chaos on the battlefield if every lance corporal questioned every order given by a staff sergeant,” Zimmerman said.

No one at yesterday's court session pinpointed how many civilians Tatum killed or how many people died in the two houses.

But in March 2006, Tatum told investigators that he, Wuterich and other members of the squad stormed into the first home after hearing the metal-on-metal sound of an AK-47 rifle being prepped for firing.

Wuterich and another Marine then shot into a room in that house. Tatum said he joined in and shot at least four people at a distance of about 20 feet.

In the second home, Tatum said, he may have shot as many as five people. He determined that the dwelling was hostile because Wuterich began firing his weapon. “Knowing what I know now, I feel badly about killing Iraqi civilians who may have been innocent,” Tatum said. “But I stand fast in my decisions that day, as I reacted to the threats that I perceived at that time.”

Testifying yesterday under a grant of immunity, Staff Sgt. Justin Laughner said the Haditha death scene horrified him. He was a counter-intelligence specialist who surveyed the site a few hours after the killings took place.

Laughner described a room in one house where the bodies of a woman and several children lay on a bed. In another house, he saw a woman who had died huddled over a small child, apparently trying to shield the youngster.

Laughner said he found no evidence of insurgents in the two houses. He did discover some shell casings in the entrance to one home that likely came from Iraqis' AK-47 rifles mixed with some others from U.S. troops' M-16s.

Prosecutors contend that Tatum didn't follow the military's rules of engagement when he stormed into the dwellings.

The lead prosecutor, Lt. Col. Paul Atterbury, yesterday gave the court copies of rules-of-engagement cards that were supposed to have been distributed to Tatum's unit. The cards state that Marines need to positively identify targets as having a hostile intent before using deadly force, Atterbury said.

“Marines have to be held accountable,” he added.

Lt. Col. Paul Ware, the presiding officer, will assess the evidence against Tatum and recommend whether he should face trial. The final decision rests with Lt. Gen. James Mattis, commanding general of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force at Camp Pendleton.

Last week, Ware recommended that another Haditha defendant charged with murder – Lance Cpl. Justin L. Sharratt – not face court-martial. Ware questioned the credibility of Iraqi witnesses and raised concerns about the interviewing techniques of military investigators.

Zimmerman hopes he, too, can persuade Ware that his client was doing his job as a Marine.

“He did what his country trained him to do,” Zimmerman said. “Now he's facing murder charges and a life sentence.”
23 posted on 07/17/2007 11:33:16 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: Girlene
Laughner said he found no evidence of insurgents in the two houses. He did discover some shell casings in the entrance to one home that likely came from Iraqis' AK-47 rifles mixed with some others from U.S. troops' M-16s.

This is no Laughn'(er) matter. I see no evidence but here's some shell casings in front of the home? What's that party favors?

24 posted on 07/17/2007 12:02:16 PM PDT by lilycicero (You did it.)
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To: Girlene; lilycicero; RedRover; jude24; P-Marlowe; Brian Rooney
The lead prosecutor, Lt. Col. Paul Atterbury, yesterday gave the court copies of rules-of-engagement cards that were supposed to have been distributed to Tatum's unit. The cards state that Marines need to positively identify targets as having a hostile intent before using deadly force, Atterbury said.

This is bullcrap. There is no way in the world that in urban fighting the military would issue ROEs that require positive ID of hostile intent before protecting yourself.

I've clearly read elsewhere that the ROEs on that day were of the "when feel threatened" variety. Also, I've read that they were permitted to fire through walls and clear rooms unseen with grenades.

I don't know who this prosecutor is, but he can't have combat experience. You don't stand in the doorway of a hostile room and ask for a headcount of the non-hostile occupants.

It's insane.

Other squads also engaged in the area report calling in 500 pound bombs from aircraft and destroying entire buildings. Did they have to forward their non-hostile head count first?

It's flippin' idiotic.

28 posted on 07/17/2007 12:55:25 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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Attorney says Edmond Marine acted appropriately
John A. Williams
THE EDMOND SUN (EDMOND, Okla.)

EDMOND, Okla.— The attorney for an Edmond Marine said his client was acting appropriately in November 2005 when Iraqi civilians were killed after a roadside bomb killed a Marine nearby.
Lance Cpl. Stephen B. Tatum is the second of three enlisted Marines to face a hearing about whether charges should be referred to a court-martial in the deaths of 24 civilians in Haditha, Iraq.
His military investigation got under way Monday.
During opening statements in Tatum’s Article 32 hearing, the military equivalent of a grand jury hearing, Tatum’s attorney Jack Zimmerman said, “He was taught that deadly force is the proper response to a threat.”
Hearing officer Lt. Col. Paul Ware will assess the evidence against Tatum and make a recommendation about whether he should stand trial.
The final decision rests with the general overseeing the case.
“Knowing what I know now, I feel badly about killing Iraqi civilians who may have been innocent,” Tatum told Navy investigators in March 2006.
“But I stand fast in my decisions that day, as I reacted to the threats that I perceived at that time.”
Last week, Ware determined the government’s evidence against Lance Cpl. Justin L. Sharratt was insufficient for a court-martial and recommended the general drop the charges, according to the Associated Press.
A fund to help defray costs for Tatum’s defense has been created in Houston. Donations may be sent in care of Christopher M. Odell, the fund’s trustee, at 711 Louisiana St., Suite 2100 in Houston, TX, 77002.

John A. Williams writes for The Edmond Sun


29 posted on 07/17/2007 1:24:34 PM PDT by smoothsailing ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction"--President Ronald Reagan)
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