Posted on 04/17/2007 10:44:53 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
According to some reports, Cho Seung-Hui, the man suspected in the killings at Virginia Tech, may have written Islamic references on himself prior to the shootings:
Sources [said] that the words "ISMAIL AX" were also found written in red ink on the inside of one of Cho's arms.
The reference may be to the Islamic account of the Biblical sacrifice of Abraham, where God commands the patriarch to sacrifice his own son. Abraham begins to comply, but God intervenes at the last moment to save the boy.
In the Jewish and Christian traditions, the son is Isaac, father of the Jewish people; in Islam, it is his brother, Ismail (Ishmael in Hebrew).
Abraham uses a knife in most versions of the story, but some accounts have him wielding an ax.
A more obscure reference may be to a passage in the Koran referring to Abraham's destruction of pagan idols; in some accounts, he uses an ax to do so.
(Excerpt) Read more at federalreview.com ...
In the Islamic telling, Abraham gives Ismail a suicide belt.
Sounds like a heavy metal band
Early speculation was that he killed his girlfriend because of relationship problems but it may have been more of an apocolyptic event or even to cover his tracks.
Take out someone close to spare them the grief of the aftermath and the questioning.
What pisses me off is how we are all reduced to finding hidden meanings in the stupid life of a meaningless 23 year old. If that Israeli professor (and IDF vet) has been allowed to have a gun he would have shot this creep in the forehead.
I did a quick search in WoW (Blizzard Entertainment has added something called the “Armory” that lets you search through all characters on all servers). There are a couple of pages’ worth, about 40 or so total, variations on “Ismail” as a character name. No “Ismailax”, but there are a few “Ismaileh” and “Ismailis” to go with the “Ismails”. Unfortunately there’s no way of knowing if Cho was a WoW player, or if so, any of those characters were his.
I’ll admit to wondering if he was using “Ismail Ax” as some sort of online chat or message-board handle. It’ll come out in time.
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Well, I don’t want to open any new cans of worms, but I wonder if this sick kid was into Dungeons and Dragons? Ismail Ax sounds like a name that one might bestow on a D&D character...and yes, I’ve known some guys from my old college days who were obsessed enough with the game to write their characters’ names on their arms and belongings.
Yeah, well it wouldn’t be a stretch for an extremist muslim to criticize christians. You pretty much make his point.
I’m thinking along the same lines, either D&D or WoW, or some other role-playing game.
I really want to see those 'creative writings' now...
Are you sure? I found
Some bizarre play the guy wrote.
Can't find the note, though . . .
I'm picturing people trying so hard to jam square pegs into triangular slots ... kinda reminds me of my English teacher in high school, claiming everything in books to be symbolic of something else. Sometimes, I just wanted to say, "No, he ate the sandwich because he was hungry. It had nothing to do with (insert random value here)."
But hey, that's my two cents.
His writings, his complaints, sound like those of an outcast. He was not accepted by the well dressed greeks (railing against the rich) and was probably a pariah (considering he set fires, wrote violent stories, wouldn’t respond when greated and stalked a girl). Then he sees the Christian kids looking happy and not wanting anything to do with him so to his twisted, paranoid mind, that’s hypocricy.
His sister graduated from Princeton. He’s struggling at Tech (don’t get on me Hokies!) The family are probably stoic, hardworking people who take mental illness as weakness. Add a sexual/romantic rebuff and Asian guilt at his lack of success and dishonor to his family.
The whole world was against him, in his mind.
You said — “Yeah, well it wouldn’t be a stretch for an extremist muslim to criticize christians. You pretty much make his point.”
Well, I’m talking about the *direction* a person is coming from. Okay, from the Islamic terrorist and their thinking, they’re coming from it from their religious viewpoint and their convictions, which derive from the Koran, the Hadith (Mohammed’s sayings) and their culture. So, they’ve got a basic commitment there that drives them and they’re absolutely committed to causing absolute destruction, killing, mayhem, disaster and terror, as the object-lesson of their actions.
Now, on the other hand, you’ve got a disturbed individual who has a problem in the first place and is flailing about for some “justification” for what he has in mind. He doesn’t really care about the philosophies involved, the religion involved or have a deep commitment to any of it. He *only* has a deep commitment to his perceived slights and “injuries” (in his mind) and so wants to grab onto a “thread of something” that he can hang his hat on.
In fact, a person like that will usually come up with an amalgamation of things, mixing this and that and making no sense — having no coherence.
That’s where an individual like that is coming from.
To confuse the two — the committed terrorists who bases his actions on his firm and faithful adherence to a religion and philosophy of life (or death as it may be, and to the evil religion) — with — the nut-ball case who is grasping for the straws of any justification he can find for his perceived slights in life — is to *not do justice* to the real and severe threat of Islamic terrorism.
It’s more to make a mockery of Islamic terrorism and make it out to be a comic-book character in the public’s eyes.
I would not want to associate this guy with Islamic terrorism so to *not dilute* the case against the real and evil nature of Islam.
Regards,
Star Traveler
Other than the blog boards, where can we go to keep these great tragedies in the lime light? So people wont forget?
If this guy was a bench-warmer for his on Islamic cause or whatever does it matter now? Should the professors and college employees be allowed to carry weapons? I think so.. We now have pilots able to carry, I think this is the only course of action other than getting rid of the liberal professors and their crap they preach in school...
If the professors had weapons would they have used them? Is that what it is going to take to get the left to wake up and see that people need them for protection?
This whole thing just makes me sick, and I probably didn't say everything correctly on here so don't think I am idiot!
I am just still not able to control the anger that this enrages in me to think straight at the moment...
Take the attack by a lone gunmen on Los Angeles International airport post-911. The MSM refused to mention the perp was/is Muslim.
The DC sniper case: MSM and those they serve as enablers refused to point out the fact that one of the killers was in fact a Muslim.
People no longer trust the MSM and the government to be honest about the situation, which will inevitably lead to speculation.
A refusal to consider the possible connection to Islam is no less egregious than idle speculation.
All I'm saying is don't rush to conclusions, especially not when the only evidence for such a conclusion is a reference written on his arm.
Unfortunately, we can’t ever be totally safe. We need to trust God, because our human solutions are not perfect. Even if there were many armed people in the area, he may still have been able to kill. It would be minimized, but not eliminated.
This is nothing like the chaos in third world countries. We don’t have the disease, the poverty, the misery.
Has something to do with Asymptotics of zeros of basic sine and cosine functions
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