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Giuliani on Federally-Funded Abortions, Take 3
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| April 5, 2007
| The Captain
Posted on 04/05/2007 4:41:48 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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I find Republican dismay over Giuliani's statements to be very puzzling indeed. Taxpayer funded abortion has, after all, been Giuliani's position for some time if I understand correctly.
Why are Republicans angry at Giuliani for not lying to them, for not maintaining the deception that he is "moderate" on abortion? I have a suspicion that Washington Republicans are hoping against hope that Giuliani will finesse the issue, allowing them to support him without having to face too many painful questions.
To: Spiff; narses; flashbunny; TommyDale; Calpernia
ping. Rudy spinning like a weathervane over his CNN interview.
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posted on
04/05/2007 4:45:45 PM PDT
by
dynachrome
("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
To: Zack Nguyen
Giuliani is crashing and burning. I am not surprised. I am not disappointed.
Burn Rudy Burn.
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posted on
04/05/2007 4:46:28 PM PDT
by
P-Marlowe
(LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
To: Zack Nguyen
That tends to take us back to status quo ante. No, it doesn't. Giuliani's true beliefs slipped out in the CNN interview and now he is backtracking and resorting to lying and trying to convince conservatives he is something he isn't.
To: Zack Nguyen
Rudy is a life long liberal and has always supported abortion rights and taxpayer funded abortions. Being personally against abortion is the position most liberals take. Liberals like John Kerry, Algore, Bill and Hillary Clinton and Giuliani. Rudy is fooling no one.
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posted on
04/05/2007 4:49:08 PM PDT
by
Reagan Man
(FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
To: dynachrome
Why do you look to a politician to solve problems of the soul?
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posted on
04/05/2007 4:50:24 PM PDT
by
gov_bean_ counter
( Who is the Democrat's George Galloway?)
To: Zack Nguyen
Taxpayer funded abortion has, after all, been Giuliani's position for some time if I understand correctly.Just like Bush on amnesty for illegals. Just look at how well that turned out.
And now he supports the Hyde Amendment? That's a finesse flip flop!:
Leaflets distributed by the Giuliani campaign .... said that he opposes restrictions to Federal Medicaid financing for abortions and opposes the Hyde Amendment, which is intended to deny support for that financing.
--New York Times, June 18, 1993
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posted on
04/05/2007 4:52:16 PM PDT
by
Yossarian
(Everyday, somewhere on the globe, somebody is pushing the frontier of stupidity...)
To: gov_bean_ counter
” Why do you look to a politician ..”
I don’t. Roe v. Wade was wrong Constitutionally and, of course, the baby’s soul doesn’t matter to too many people.
A better question would be : “Why have so many people made a religion of abortion?”
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posted on
04/05/2007 4:55:16 PM PDT
by
dynachrome
("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
To: dynachrome
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posted on
04/05/2007 4:57:04 PM PDT
by
gov_bean_ counter
( Who is the Democrat's George Galloway?)
To: gov_bean_ counter
Why do you look to a politician to solve problems of the soul?Hey, that'd make a great fortune cookie line!
We're not living up on the mountaintop breathing rarefied ideality, gov.
If I misunderstand you...you were rather cryptic. Feel free to elaborate!
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posted on
04/05/2007 4:59:57 PM PDT
by
Graymatter
(FREDeralist)
To: gov_bean_ counter
Actually, the operative word is “politician” Even ones with the best of intentions tend to sell out a bit at a time.
(and the road to where? is paved with good intentions?)
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posted on
04/05/2007 5:03:01 PM PDT
by
dynachrome
("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
To: Graymatter
I think it was Bush One who said you fight abortion one heart at a time (or something to that effect). That one went over like a woot in church.
He implied that it was a local church, community, cultural issue and was not going to be impacted by government action.
I don't believe the government should be paying for the procedure. However, I also believe the Federal government cannot legislate morality. Couldn't do it with booze, can't do it with drugs, prostitution, gambling.
Change the heart, change the outcome and that is not the government's job.
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posted on
04/05/2007 5:08:19 PM PDT
by
gov_bean_ counter
( Who is the Democrat's George Galloway?)
To: Reagan Man
I agree. The “I just hate abortion (look how anguished I am!) but I won’t get between a woman and a doctor” is a sham at best.
To: gov_bean_ counter
Bush said that he wanted to “change one heart at a time” because it sounded good to and pro-choice Republicans.
Abortion is murder, and while as a Christian I am delighted to change one heart at a time, I expect government to do its job. And that is job is to preserve life and liberty.
To: Zack Nguyen
While you (and I) agree abortion is murder, that is not what the existing law says. But the pro abortion movement is is a race against technology. Four d sonograms now give you a picture of the child in the womb not seen before and that picture is worth much more that a thousand words. Live saving in the womb procedures are a regular occurrence now. We as a society knows more. Over time that will sink into the conscience of people. But it is not government’s job to make it so.
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posted on
04/05/2007 5:17:53 PM PDT
by
gov_bean_ counter
( Who is the Democrat's George Galloway?)
To: Zack Nguyen
Why are Republicans angry at Giuliani for not lying to them, for not maintaining the deception that he is "moderate" on abortion? Because the Rudybots have been telling us that either he has changed on these issues, or that, as Mayor of NYC, he had to have a specific take on these issues in a way that benefitted NYC, but it doesn't mean that he would feel that way as President.
It was obvious that was all BS, but now that Rudy has admitted it is all BS, it is a newsworthy event.
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posted on
04/05/2007 5:18:35 PM PDT
by
Rodney King
(No, we can't all just get along.)
To: gov_bean_ counter
Over time that will sink into the conscience of people. But it is not governments job to make it so. Fair enough, but should the government pay for abortions? There is no reason why all Republicans shouldn't agree that the answer is no.
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posted on
04/05/2007 5:19:43 PM PDT
by
Rodney King
(No, we can't all just get along.)
To: Rodney King
Agreed. As stated before I do not think the government should be paying for the procedure.
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posted on
04/05/2007 5:22:14 PM PDT
by
gov_bean_ counter
( Who is the Democrat's George Galloway?)
To: gov_bean_ counter
I also believe the Federal government cannot legislate morality. Couldn't do it with booze, can't do it with drugs, prostitution, gambling. Change the heart, change the outcome and that is not the government's job. Yet murder is illegal, theft, fraud, kidnapping, etc. Why is it ok for the government to legislate morality there, but not on abortion? Or do you think that all governments should repeal the laws against murder and theft?
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posted on
04/05/2007 5:22:34 PM PDT
by
Rodney King
(No, we can't all just get along.)
To: Rodney King
Please reread #15 above. The things you mentioned are evident to the eye. The truth about the fetus hasn’t been. The big lie of the abortionists has been the “tissue mass”. Technology now shows us otherwise. The battle against abortion and the fight to get the truth out will be a process.
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posted on
04/05/2007 5:27:12 PM PDT
by
gov_bean_ counter
( Who is the Democrat's George Galloway?)
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