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Giuliani on Federally-Funded Abortions, Take 3
Captains Quarters Blog ^ | April 5, 2007 | The Captain

Posted on 04/05/2007 4:41:48 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen

It appears that Rudy Giuliani, intelligent man that he is, understands the damage he did to his efforts to connect with conservatives in his CNN interview yesterday. As Kathryn Jean Lopez posted at The Corner, Giuliani has started to climb down from his support of funding abortions with tax dollars:

MAYOR GIULIANI: "What I said yesterday is what I've been saying throughout, I think in the last number of months publicly and privately for quite some time, which is I'm against abortion, I hate it, I wish there never was an abortion and I would council a woman have an adoption instead of an abortion but ultimately I believe an individual right and a woman can make that choice. I also, on public funding or funding of abortion said I would want to see it decided on a state by state basis. And what that means is I would leave the Hyde Amendment in place. It's been the law now, 17, 18 years, it's part of the constitutional balance that I talked about yesterday and the Hyde Amendment leaves the funding issue largely to the states. They have to decide how they're going to do it. And same thing on the issue that you're giving me now, which is I believe that the state should decide. And that's largely my approach not only in the area of abortion but in the area of guns and other things. I think these things are best decided on a state by state basis and would have as limited a federal role as the law requires." (Mayor Giuliani, Press Availability, Columbia, SC, 4/5/2007)

That tends to take us back to status quo ante. We knew that Giuliani supported choice while arguing for judicial restraint on the federal bench. When he started talking about abortion as a right and the requirement to fund abortions, that flew in the face of judicial restraint and fiscal conservativism. He has the date of the Hyde Amendment wrong (1976, 31 years ago), but if he will not act to end it or expand abortion funding past its limits on the federal level, he may have an argument that will mollify at least some of the people he angered yesterday.

Does this make it any better for CQ readers? I'm going to keep an open mind and open ears, but his interview stunned me yesterday with its tone-deafness.


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I find Republican dismay over Giuliani's statements to be very puzzling indeed. Taxpayer funded abortion has, after all, been Giuliani's position for some time if I understand correctly.

Why are Republicans angry at Giuliani for not lying to them, for not maintaining the deception that he is "moderate" on abortion? I have a suspicion that Washington Republicans are hoping against hope that Giuliani will finesse the issue, allowing them to support him without having to face too many painful questions.

1 posted on 04/05/2007 4:41:51 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Spiff; narses; flashbunny; TommyDale; Calpernia

ping. Rudy spinning like a weathervane over his CNN interview.


2 posted on 04/05/2007 4:45:45 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: Zack Nguyen
Giuliani is crashing and burning. I am not surprised. I am not disappointed.

Burn Rudy Burn.

3 posted on 04/05/2007 4:46:28 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Zack Nguyen
That tends to take us back to status quo ante.

No, it doesn't. Giuliani's true beliefs slipped out in the CNN interview and now he is backtracking and resorting to lying and trying to convince conservatives he is something he isn't.

4 posted on 04/05/2007 4:49:01 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: Zack Nguyen

Rudy is a life long liberal and has always supported abortion rights and taxpayer funded abortions. Being personally against abortion is the position most liberals take. Liberals like John Kerry, Algore, Bill and Hillary Clinton and Giuliani. Rudy is fooling no one.


5 posted on 04/05/2007 4:49:08 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: dynachrome

Why do you look to a politician to solve problems of the soul?


6 posted on 04/05/2007 4:50:24 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( Who is the Democrat's George Galloway?)
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To: Zack Nguyen
Taxpayer funded abortion has, after all, been Giuliani's position for some time if I understand correctly.

Just like Bush on amnesty for illegals. Just look at how well that turned out.

And now he supports the Hyde Amendment? That's a finesse flip flop!:

Leaflets distributed by the Giuliani campaign .... said that he opposes restrictions to Federal Medicaid financing for abortions and opposes the Hyde Amendment, which is intended to deny support for that financing.

--New York Times, June 18, 1993

7 posted on 04/05/2007 4:52:16 PM PDT by Yossarian (Everyday, somewhere on the globe, somebody is pushing the frontier of stupidity...)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

” Why do you look to a politician ..”
I don’t. Roe v. Wade was wrong Constitutionally and, of course, the baby’s soul doesn’t matter to too many people.
A better question would be : “Why have so many people made a religion of abortion?”


8 posted on 04/05/2007 4:55:16 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: dynachrome

Solid answer. Thank you.


9 posted on 04/05/2007 4:57:04 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( Who is the Democrat's George Galloway?)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Why do you look to a politician to solve problems of the soul?

Hey, that'd make a great fortune cookie line!
We're not living up on the mountaintop breathing rarefied ideality, gov.
If I misunderstand you...you were rather cryptic. Feel free to elaborate!

10 posted on 04/05/2007 4:59:57 PM PDT by Graymatter (FREDeralist)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Actually, the operative word is “politician” Even ones with the best of intentions tend to sell out a bit at a time.
(and the road to where? is paved with good intentions?)


11 posted on 04/05/2007 5:03:01 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: Graymatter
I think it was Bush One who said you fight abortion one heart at a time (or something to that effect). That one went over like a woot in church.

He implied that it was a local church, community, cultural issue and was not going to be impacted by government action.

I don't believe the government should be paying for the procedure. However, I also believe the Federal government cannot legislate morality. Couldn't do it with booze, can't do it with drugs, prostitution, gambling.

Change the heart, change the outcome and that is not the government's job.

12 posted on 04/05/2007 5:08:19 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( Who is the Democrat's George Galloway?)
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To: Reagan Man

I agree. The “I just hate abortion (look how anguished I am!) but I won’t get between a woman and a doctor” is a sham at best.


13 posted on 04/05/2007 5:10:03 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Bush said that he wanted to “change one heart at a time” because it sounded good to and pro-choice Republicans.

Abortion is murder, and while as a Christian I am delighted to change one heart at a time, I expect government to do its job. And that is job is to preserve life and liberty.


14 posted on 04/05/2007 5:12:03 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Zack Nguyen
While you (and I) agree abortion is murder, that is not what the existing law says. But the pro abortion movement is is a race against technology. Four d sonograms now give you a picture of the child in the womb not seen before and that picture is worth much more that a thousand words. Live saving in the womb procedures are a regular occurrence now. We as a society knows more. Over time that will sink into the conscience of people. But it is not government’s job to make it so.
15 posted on 04/05/2007 5:17:53 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( Who is the Democrat's George Galloway?)
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To: Zack Nguyen
Why are Republicans angry at Giuliani for not lying to them, for not maintaining the deception that he is "moderate" on abortion?

Because the Rudybots have been telling us that either he has changed on these issues, or that, as Mayor of NYC, he had to have a specific take on these issues in a way that benefitted NYC, but it doesn't mean that he would feel that way as President.

It was obvious that was all BS, but now that Rudy has admitted it is all BS, it is a newsworthy event.

16 posted on 04/05/2007 5:18:35 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Over time that will sink into the conscience of people. But it is not government’s job to make it so.

Fair enough, but should the government pay for abortions? There is no reason why all Republicans shouldn't agree that the answer is no.

17 posted on 04/05/2007 5:19:43 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Rodney King
Agreed. As stated before I do not think the government should be paying for the procedure.
18 posted on 04/05/2007 5:22:14 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( Who is the Democrat's George Galloway?)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
I also believe the Federal government cannot legislate morality. Couldn't do it with booze, can't do it with drugs, prostitution, gambling. Change the heart, change the outcome and that is not the government's job.

Yet murder is illegal, theft, fraud, kidnapping, etc. Why is it ok for the government to legislate morality there, but not on abortion? Or do you think that all governments should repeal the laws against murder and theft?

19 posted on 04/05/2007 5:22:34 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Rodney King
Please reread #15 above. The things you mentioned are evident to the eye. The truth about the fetus hasn’t been. The big lie of the abortionists has been the “tissue mass”. Technology now shows us otherwise. The battle against abortion and the fight to get the truth out will be a process.
20 posted on 04/05/2007 5:27:12 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( Who is the Democrat's George Galloway?)
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